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Attributes | |
ACN | 812167 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Windshear |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sna.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 5200 |
ASRS Report | 812167 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Weather Airport Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
Multiple reports of windshear on the departure. Reports of loss of airspeed of up to 35 KTS reported back to tower. I rejected initial takeoff clearance and elected to listen to the next takeoff reports. Finally; tower cleared an air carrier X; A320; for takeoff and I asked the crew to give a PIREP to us as we were cleared into position. The air carrier X crew reported windshear but no loss of airspeed. With that report we decided to accept the takeoff clearance. However; we elected to keep an additional 20 KTS of speed rather than maintain V2 on the departure with the nose high attitude of approximately 22 degrees for noise abatement. Additionally; we briefed not coming back to climb EPR until we were comfortable about the possibility of windshear. After takeoff climbing through approximately 500 ft AGL; we got a facility generated 'windshear' alert with an approximately loss of 30 KTS. It was a fairly brief event but certainly one that in retrospect I should have gone with my initial call to not accept the takeoff clearance. It was the PIREP of no loss of airspeed that caused me to reverse my original decision. My first officer reported a loss of airspeed to sna tower/ATC and recommendation to change the runway direction. I called sna tower after arrival at ZZZ and spoke to the tower supervisor to express my extreme concern over what seemed to be a proactive approach to such a catastrophic scenario. I asked them if they changed the runway and the supervisor said that they are restr based on having a 5 KT tailwind. I said that puts them in a predicament; as they just continued to launch. I asked the supervisor if any departure reported windshear after us; and at that point the ATC rep appeared to begin to marginalize my concern and little proactively towards such a dangerous scenario. I immediately brought this to the attention of flight operations personnel as I felt that this lack of concern by ATC combined with their lack of runway flexibility puts aircraft and crews at risk. What is ATC's responsibility for a safe operation. Are they simply a red/green light for takeoff; or does ATC (tower) have an obligation to ensure a safe operation; to include delaying takeoffs and/or runway changes. All tower did here was report the loss of airspeed to subsequent aircraft. Even when I rejected the initial takeoff clearance; the tower controller seemed oblivious and unwilling to take any safety precautions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR CARRIER DEPARTURE FROM SNA EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING ATC'S RUNWAY USE DECISION GIVEN THE MULTIPLE WIND SHEAR REPORTS BY DEPARTURE AIRCRAFT.
Narrative: MULTIPLE RPTS OF WINDSHEAR ON THE DEP. RPTS OF LOSS OF AIRSPD OF UP TO 35 KTS RPTED BACK TO TWR. I REJECTED INITIAL TKOF CLRNC AND ELECTED TO LISTEN TO THE NEXT TKOF RPTS. FINALLY; TWR CLRED AN ACR X; A320; FOR TKOF AND I ASKED THE CREW TO GIVE A PIREP TO US AS WE WERE CLRED INTO POS. THE ACR X CREW RPTED WINDSHEAR BUT NO LOSS OF AIRSPD. WITH THAT RPT WE DECIDED TO ACCEPT THE TKOF CLRNC. HOWEVER; WE ELECTED TO KEEP AN ADDITIONAL 20 KTS OF SPD RATHER THAN MAINTAIN V2 ON THE DEP WITH THE NOSE HIGH ATTITUDE OF APPROX 22 DEGS FOR NOISE ABATEMENT. ADDITIONALLY; WE BRIEFED NOT COMING BACK TO CLB EPR UNTIL WE WERE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF WINDSHEAR. AFTER TKOF CLBING THROUGH APPROX 500 FT AGL; WE GOT A FAC GENERATED 'WINDSHEAR' ALERT WITH AN APPROX LOSS OF 30 KTS. IT WAS A FAIRLY BRIEF EVENT BUT CERTAINLY ONE THAT IN RETROSPECT I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH MY INITIAL CALL TO NOT ACCEPT THE TKOF CLRNC. IT WAS THE PIREP OF NO LOSS OF AIRSPD THAT CAUSED ME TO REVERSE MY ORIGINAL DECISION. MY FO RPTED A LOSS OF AIRSPD TO SNA TWR/ATC AND RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE RWY DIRECTION. I CALLED SNA TWR AFTER ARR AT ZZZ AND SPOKE TO THE TWR SUPVR TO EXPRESS MY EXTREME CONCERN OVER WHAT SEEMED TO BE A PROACTIVE APCH TO SUCH A CATASTROPHIC SCENARIO. I ASKED THEM IF THEY CHANGED THE RWY AND THE SUPVR SAID THAT THEY ARE RESTR BASED ON HAVING A 5 KT TAILWIND. I SAID THAT PUTS THEM IN A PREDICAMENT; AS THEY JUST CONTINUED TO LAUNCH. I ASKED THE SUPVR IF ANY DEP RPTED WINDSHEAR AFTER US; AND AT THAT POINT THE ATC REP APPEARED TO BEGIN TO MARGINALIZE MY CONCERN AND LITTLE PROACTIVELY TOWARDS SUCH A DANGEROUS SCENARIO. I IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTN OF FLT OPS PERSONNEL AS I FELT THAT THIS LACK OF CONCERN BY ATC COMBINED WITH THEIR LACK OF RWY FLEXIBILITY PUTS ACFT AND CREWS AT RISK. WHAT IS ATC'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR A SAFE OP. ARE THEY SIMPLY A RED/GREEN LIGHT FOR TKOF; OR DOES ATC (TWR) HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ENSURE A SAFE OP; TO INCLUDE DELAYING TKOFS AND/OR RWY CHANGES. ALL TWR DID HERE WAS RPT THE LOSS OF AIRSPD TO SUBSEQUENT ACFT. EVEN WHEN I REJECTED THE INITIAL TKOF CLRNC; THE TWR CTLR SEEMED OBLIVIOUS AND UNWILLING TO TAKE ANY SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.