Pilot complaint about other aircraft in his airspace.

Attributes
ACN	81683
Time
Date	198802
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : ono airport : onon
State Reference	OR
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : slc
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	81683
Person 2
Function	flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

I was acting as PIC for an instrument student. We had filed an IFR flight plan from ontario to payet V-4 boi. Ontario is an uncontrolled airport with an NDB approach. We were not able to contact salt lake center on the ground. We departed south and tanned and flew east in VFR conditions contacting salt lake center, who said they would not be able to activate our IFR clearance until 05. He said he had an aircraft 6 mi south on approach for the ontario airport. We proceeded east, VFR, climbing to 5000' VFR. The tops in the area were slightly above 4000'. We heard the aircraft who was cleared for the approach make a radio transmission on salt lake center frequency. We never did hear slc clear him for an approach, so he must have been clrd before we came on frequency. The other aircraft had not changed over to advisory frequency 122.8 ontario unicom after being cleared for approach. The other aircraft filed a complaint that we were flying IFR in airspace assigned to him for approach. We were 6-7 mi east of the airport at the time of the incident and maintained VFR conditions. The student instrument pilot was under the hood during the climb and departure.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PLT COMPLAINT ABOUT OTHER ACFT IN HIS AIRSPACE.

Narrative: I WAS ACTING AS PIC FOR AN INSTRUMENT STUDENT. WE HAD FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM ONTARIO TO PAYET V-4 BOI. ONTARIO IS AN UNCTLED ARPT WITH AN NDB APCH. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CONTACT SALT LAKE CENTER ON THE GND. WE DEPARTED S AND TANNED AND FLEW E IN VFR CONDITIONS CONTACTING SALT LAKE CENTER, WHO SAID THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE OUR IFR CLRNC UNTIL 05. HE SAID HE HAD AN ACFT 6 MI S ON APCH FOR THE ONTARIO ARPT. WE PROCEEDED E, VFR, CLBING TO 5000' VFR. THE TOPS IN THE AREA WERE slightly ABOVE 4000'. WE HEARD THE ACFT WHO WAS CLRED FOR THE APCH MAKE A RADIO XMISSION ON SALT LAKE CENTER FREQ. WE NEVER DID HEAR SLC CLR HIM FOR AN APCH, SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN CLRD BEFORE WE CAME ON FREQ. THE OTHER ACFT HAD NOT CHANGED OVER TO ADVISORY FREQ 122.8 ONTARIO UNICOM AFTER BEING CLRED FOR APCH. THE OTHER ACFT FILED A COMPLAINT THAT WE WERE FLYING IFR IN AIRSPACE ASSIGNED TO HIM FOR APCH. WE WERE 6-7 MI E OF THE ARPT AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT AND MAINTAINED VFR CONDITIONS. THE STUDENT INSTRUMENT PLT WAS UNDER THE HOOD DURING THE CLB AND DEP.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.