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Attributes | |
ACN | 850383 |
Time | |
Date | 200909 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR RIVER 2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 180 Flight Crew Total 16000 Flight Crew Type 140 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 144 Flight Crew Total 15233 Flight Crew Type 8233 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
Just passed gramm intersection at FL190 assigned and 280 KTS. Was cleared to descend via the arrival; assigned 250 KTS; and cleared for the 24R approach. In order to try to make the 14000 ft restriction on the STAR; I disengaged the autopilot and increased the descent rate; also extending full speed brakes. I wasn't sure at this point if I could make the restriction; but I decided to make the altitude and let the speed increase. I made the restriction; but the added speed had closed the distance on parallel traffic for 25L. Socal approach controller asked about my speed; and first officer admitted we had been going faster. Being pretty new to the airbus; I wasn't sure if we could make the restriction; and wasn't sure how much extra speed would be the result of the increased descent. What I should have done is tell socal as soon as we were assigned 250 KTS that we couldn't make the restriction; thus giving socal the option to change the clearance or vector us away. I had thought of an alternate plan; to slow to 245 KTS (below the landing gear limit speed); lower the landing gear; and try to make the restriction that way; but that still requires a speed deviation; and doesn't guarantee that the altitude restriction can be met anyway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A Captain new to the Airbus was on altitude; but fast passing GRAMM Intersection on the LAX RIVER TWO ARRIVAL. ATC questioned the crew's speed; but allowed them to continue while slowing with Runway 25L traffic in sight.
Narrative: Just passed GRAMM Intersection at FL190 assigned and 280 KTS. Was cleared to descend via the arrival; assigned 250 KTS; and cleared for the 24R Approach. In order to try to make the 14000 FT restriction on the STAR; I disengaged the autopilot and increased the descent rate; also extending full speed brakes. I wasn't sure at this point if I could make the restriction; but I decided to make the altitude and let the speed increase. I made the restriction; but the added speed had closed the distance on parallel traffic for 25L. SOCAL Approach Controller asked about my speed; and First Officer admitted we had been going faster. Being pretty new to the Airbus; I wasn't sure if we could make the restriction; and wasn't sure how much extra speed would be the result of the increased descent. What I should have done is tell SOCAL as soon as we were assigned 250 KTS that we couldn't make the restriction; thus giving SOCAL the option to change the clearance or vector us away. I had thought of an alternate plan; to slow to 245 KTS (below the landing gear limit speed); lower the landing gear; and try to make the restriction that way; but that still requires a speed deviation; and doesn't guarantee that the altitude restriction can be met anyway.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.