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Attributes | |
ACN | 524270 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : baret |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 524270 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
ZLA issued us a clearance to cross 10 mi north of baret intersection at 10000 ft. I read back the clearance as I understood it (10 mi north of baret at 10000 ft). The captain completed the crossing restr and we were handed off to san diego approach control. San diego approach cleared us to a lower altitude and then asked us if we flew into san diego very much. We said yes and she indicated that the usual crossing restr 10 mi north of baret was 12000 ft. She said there was no problem, but she wanted to let us know for future reference. We asked her if there had been a miscom and the approach controller told us that the center controller had thought he had issued us 12000 ft, 10 mi north of baret, but there were 'no problems.' she cleared us for the localizer runway 27 and handed us off the tower at swatt intersection.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER HDOF TO APCH CTL FOR AN SAN ARR AN ACR CREW IS QUESTIONED AS TO WHY THEY CROSSED BARET INTXN AT 10000 FT INSTEAD OF THE USUAL 12000 FT.
Narrative: ZLA ISSUED US A CLRNC TO CROSS 10 MI N OF BARET INTXN AT 10000 FT. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AS I UNDERSTOOD IT (10 MI N OF BARET AT 10000 FT). THE CAPT COMPLETED THE XING RESTR AND WE WERE HANDED OFF TO SAN DIEGO APCH CTL. SAN DIEGO APCH CLRED US TO A LOWER ALT AND THEN ASKED US IF WE FLEW INTO SAN DIEGO VERY MUCH. WE SAID YES AND SHE INDICATED THAT THE USUAL XING RESTR 10 MI N OF BARET WAS 12000 FT. SHE SAID THERE WAS NO PROB, BUT SHE WANTED TO LET US KNOW FOR FUTURE REF. WE ASKED HER IF THERE HAD BEEN A MISCOM AND THE APCH CTLR TOLD US THAT THE CTR CTLR HAD THOUGHT HE HAD ISSUED US 12000 FT, 10 MI N OF BARET, BUT THERE WERE 'NO PROBS.' SHE CLRED US FOR THE LOC RWY 27 AND HANDED US OFF THE TWR AT SWATT INTXN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.