Close proximity air carrier-medium large transport GA-small aircraft in ric arsa.

Attributes
ACN	85661
Time
Date	198804
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ric
State Reference	VA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ric artcc : zla
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft
Flight Phase	cruise other
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 720
ASRS Report	85661
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 3200
ASRS Report	85839
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 500 vertical : 500
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Prior to takeoff from ric, tower cleared us to climb to 2000' MSL, level at 2000' MSL after takeoff. Departure control notified us of traffic (a light aircraft) at 11 O'clock position from us at 3000' MSL. I told departure control that I saw the aircraft and confirmed with the first officer that he saw it too. Departure control then cleared us to climb to 9000' MSL, reference the traffic. First officer started to climb, but inadvertently lost sight of traffic. We made a precautionary maneuver to avoid what looked like would be a conflict. Estimate passed about 500' from the traffic. I should have instructed the first officer to stay at 2000' MSL until well clear. He should have told me what he planned to do. Departure control should have waited to clear us to climb until we were well clear. Note: difficult to judge traffic's exact direction of flight. Supplemental information from acn 85839: I started to climb and lost sight of small aircraft in sun. I took evasive action (pushed down nose, turned left).

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-MLG GA-SMA IN RIC ARSA.

Narrative: PRIOR TO TKOF FROM RIC, TWR CLRED US TO CLB TO 2000' MSL, LEVEL AT 2000' MSL AFTER TKOF. DEP CTL NOTIFIED US OF TFC (A LIGHT ACFT) AT 11 O'CLOCK POS FROM US AT 3000' MSL. I TOLD DEP CTL THAT I SAW THE ACFT AND CONFIRMED WITH THE F/O THAT HE SAW IT TOO. DEP CTL THEN CLRED US TO CLB TO 9000' MSL, REF THE TFC. F/O STARTED TO CLB, BUT INADVERTENTLY LOST SIGHT OF TFC. WE MADE A PRECAUTIONARY MANEUVER TO AVOID WHAT LOOKED LIKE WOULD BE A CONFLICT. ESTIMATE PASSED ABOUT 500' FROM THE TFC. I SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THE F/O TO STAY AT 2000' MSL UNTIL WELL CLR. HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME WHAT HE PLANNED TO DO. DEP CTL SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO CLR US TO CLB UNTIL WE WERE WELL CLR. NOTE: DIFFICULT TO JUDGE TFC'S EXACT DIRECTION OF FLT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 85839: I STARTED TO CLB AND LOST SIGHT OF SMA IN SUN. I TOOK EVASIVE ACTION (PUSHED DOWN NOSE, TURNED LEFT).

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.