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Attributes | |
ACN | 134721 |
Time | |
Date | 199001 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : abq |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : student pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 134721 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Our duty day started at XA15 at dfw. The WX was bad everywhere. The first leg of our trip was dfw to austin, then back to dfw. From dfw our trip took us to abq. As you can see from the flight conditions checked above, we were faced with all kinds of WX. Every approach and landing were low minimums and every takeoff was maximum performance. By the time we arrived at abq it was XK35. We had been on duty 10 hours and 20 mins, and we had already logged 8 hours and 5 mins block-to-block flying time. We had no break in our duty time--not even to get off the airplane--and because it is not company policy to do so, we had nothing to eat. At this point I was sure we were illegal to continue as we had already exceeded 8 hours in a 24 hour period. 'Not so,' company officials replied. 'According to far 121.471, 121.481 and 121.483, we can now schedule you up to 9 hours.' we were ordered to continue. So we launched once again out of abq in the midst of a snowstorm headed for dfw. We landed in dfw with 200/1/2 in heavy rain, with a 20 KT right crosswind. We finished up at XN22, after being on duty 13 hours and 13 mins, and logging 9 hours and 49 mins of actual flying time. After refusing to continue, our subsequent leg to baton rouge was cancelled and we were graciously bestowed an 11 hour, 2 min layover at home before continuing the trip. Folks, this is just plain stupid. Flying airplanes is not like driving cars. When we arrived in abq, we were exhausted. When we arrived back at dfw, we were just plain unsafe. Pilots flying long duty periods west/O food is nonsense. The far's re: flying time and duty periods are unreadable, unusable garbage that has no context of reality where human beings are concerned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT FLT CREW COMPLAINS OF DUTY TIME DISCREPANCY WHERE, UNDER THE RULES, THEY WERE LEGAL TO FLY FOR MORE THAN 13 HOURS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD DURING BAD WX AND DELAYS.
Narrative: OUR DUTY DAY STARTED AT XA15 AT DFW. THE WX WAS BAD EVERYWHERE. THE FIRST LEG OF OUR TRIP WAS DFW TO AUSTIN, THEN BACK TO DFW. FROM DFW OUR TRIP TOOK US TO ABQ. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FLT CONDITIONS CHECKED ABOVE, WE WERE FACED WITH ALL KINDS OF WX. EVERY APCH AND LNDG WERE LOW MINIMUMS AND EVERY TKOF WAS MAX PERFORMANCE. BY THE TIME WE ARRIVED AT ABQ IT WAS XK35. WE HAD BEEN ON DUTY 10 HRS AND 20 MINS, AND WE HAD ALREADY LOGGED 8 HRS AND 5 MINS BLOCK-TO-BLOCK FLYING TIME. WE HAD NO BREAK IN OUR DUTY TIME--NOT EVEN TO GET OFF THE AIRPLANE--AND BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMPANY POLICY TO DO SO, WE HAD NOTHING TO EAT. AT THIS POINT I WAS SURE WE WERE ILLEGAL TO CONTINUE AS WE HAD ALREADY EXCEEDED 8 HRS IN A 24 HR PERIOD. 'NOT SO,' COMPANY OFFICIALS REPLIED. 'ACCORDING TO FAR 121.471, 121.481 AND 121.483, WE CAN NOW SCHEDULE YOU UP TO 9 HRS.' WE WERE ORDERED TO CONTINUE. SO WE LAUNCHED ONCE AGAIN OUT OF ABQ IN THE MIDST OF A SNOWSTORM HEADED FOR DFW. WE LANDED IN DFW WITH 200/1/2 IN HEAVY RAIN, WITH A 20 KT RIGHT XWIND. WE FINISHED UP AT XN22, AFTER BEING ON DUTY 13 HRS AND 13 MINS, AND LOGGING 9 HRS AND 49 MINS OF ACTUAL FLYING TIME. AFTER REFUSING TO CONTINUE, OUR SUBSEQUENT LEG TO BATON ROUGE WAS CANCELLED AND WE WERE GRACIOUSLY BESTOWED AN 11 HR, 2 MIN LAYOVER AT HOME BEFORE CONTINUING THE TRIP. FOLKS, THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID. FLYING AIRPLANES IS NOT LIKE DRIVING CARS. WHEN WE ARRIVED IN ABQ, WE WERE EXHAUSTED. WHEN WE ARRIVED BACK AT DFW, WE WERE JUST PLAIN UNSAFE. PLTS FLYING LONG DUTY PERIODS W/O FOOD IS NONSENSE. THE FAR'S RE: FLYING TIME AND DUTY PERIODS ARE UNREADABLE, UNUSABLE GARBAGE THAT HAS NO CONTEXT OF REALITY WHERE HUMAN BEINGS ARE CONCERNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.