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Attributes | |
ACN | 143707 |
Time | |
Date | 199004 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 143707 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
PIC was conducting the VOR DME-a at teb using RNAV appeared to both of us to be programmed correctly. We thought we were outside wanes however approach told us to expedite to 2000 because of crossing traffic going into newark. I asked him how far he showed us from wanes and he said we were actually four mi from clifo, the final approach fix. Immediately I switched to the VOR mode and DME changed from 16.8 to 4.1 which meant we should have been at the mandatory 2000 instead of 3000. Told PF to immediately descend. We had the traffic in sight and I don't think there was a conflict, but it was a mandatory altitude. I always tell my students to never rely on one navigation source and it looks like I got caught.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT DEVIATION UNDERSHOOT ON DESCENT.
Narrative: PIC WAS CONDUCTING THE VOR DME-A AT TEB USING RNAV APPEARED TO BOTH OF US TO BE PROGRAMMED CORRECTLY. WE THOUGHT WE WERE OUTSIDE WANES HOWEVER APCH TOLD US TO EXPEDITE TO 2000 BECAUSE OF XING TFC GOING INTO NEWARK. I ASKED HIM HOW FAR HE SHOWED US FROM WANES AND HE SAID WE WERE ACTUALLY FOUR MI FROM CLIFO, THE FINAL APCH FIX. IMMEDIATELY I SWITCHED TO THE VOR MODE AND DME CHANGED FROM 16.8 TO 4.1 WHICH MEANT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE MANDATORY 2000 INSTEAD OF 3000. TOLD PF TO IMMEDIATELY DSND. WE HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A CONFLICT, BUT IT WAS A MANDATORY ALT. I ALWAYS TELL MY STUDENTS TO NEVER RELY ON ONE NAV SOURCE AND IT LOOKS LIKE I GOT CAUGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.