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Attributes | |
ACN | 162128 |
Time | |
Date | 199011 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 162128 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
About OM we were startled to see an light transport aircraft sliding down and back very close at our one O'clock position less than 200' away. He had apparently been above us (blind spot to us) and was easing downward to get in a position to land as we were. At first I thought he was going to land on the same runway 25L. He was slower and we quickly passed him and then became aware he was landing on runway 25R. We continued to an uneventful landing and did not have to take evasive action. I called lax approach control after I got on the ground and found out the smaller aircraft had us in sight and had been cleared for a visibility approach. We had been informed of his position previously (about 20 mi out) and were told he would be on our left as we approached the OM. We did not see him then or acknowledge that we had. I believe the light transport passed too close to my aircraft on his visibility approach. I also think we should have been advised by lax approach control of his new position on our right and in front of us and above us!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG ON DESCENT AND APCH TO LAX RWY 25L HAD AN LTT TYPE ACFT PASS OVER LEFT TO RIGHT MISSING BY 100'.
Narrative: ABOUT OM WE WERE STARTLED TO SEE AN LTT ACFT SLIDING DOWN AND BACK VERY CLOSE AT OUR ONE O'CLOCK POS LESS THAN 200' AWAY. HE HAD APPARENTLY BEEN ABOVE US (BLIND SPOT TO US) AND WAS EASING DOWNWARD TO GET IN A POS TO LAND AS WE WERE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO LAND ON THE SAME RWY 25L. HE WAS SLOWER AND WE QUICKLY PASSED HIM AND THEN BECAME AWARE HE WAS LNDG ON RWY 25R. WE CONTINUED TO AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG AND DID NOT HAVE TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION. I CALLED LAX APCH CTL AFTER I GOT ON THE GND AND FOUND OUT THE SMALLER ACFT HAD US IN SIGHT AND HAD BEEN CLRED FOR A VIS APCH. WE HAD BEEN INFORMED OF HIS POS PREVIOUSLY (ABOUT 20 MI OUT) AND WERE TOLD HE WOULD BE ON OUR L AS WE APCHED THE OM. WE DID NOT SEE HIM THEN OR ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAD. I BELIEVE THE LTT PASSED TOO CLOSE TO MY ACFT ON HIS VIS APCH. I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY LAX APCH CTL OF HIS NEW POS ON OUR R AND IN FRONT OF US AND ABOVE US!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.