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Attributes | |
ACN | 204952 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : alb |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 204952 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 205197 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
During the taxi for takeoff and immediately after leaving the blocks, ground control instructed us to 'taxi to runway 34L hold short of 34R and monitor tower at the hold point.' as aircraft approached the hold point the first officer looked to charts to retrieve tower frequency and after selecting frequency on radio's looked outside again noting that aircraft had been taxied beyond hold line for 34R. This is another case of the hold lines not being reflective so that taxi lights will make them stand out and the signage not eye catching enough. Also at this point the pilot taxiing the aircraft (sitting on left side of aircraft) may not see the hold lines as the lines are at the beginning of a 90 degree right turn. There are green taxi lights on some parts of airport but if they extend all the way to the hold position I did not see them at dusk this evening. The taxi line to the hold point forces aircraft to make hard 90 degree if you stay on taxi line; possibly a rounded taxi line would put aircraft in position to make the quick taxi across 34R as is normally requested at busy times such as this evening. Supplemental information from acn 205197. Captain of taxi over hold line of runway 34R. As a result of distraction caused by the captain to other crew members, the first officer was unable to caution or prevent the aircraft from taxiing past 34R hold line. The so notified the crew of taxiing past the hold line.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF LGT TAXIES PAST HOLD LINE HE WAS REQUESTED TO HOLD SHORT OF WHEN MAKING A R TURN FROM PARALLEL TAXIWAY AT APCH END OF RWY 34R AT SEA.
Narrative: DURING THE TAXI FOR TKOF AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER LEAVING THE BLOCKS, GND CTL INSTRUCTED US TO 'TAXI TO RWY 34L HOLD SHORT OF 34R AND MONITOR TWR AT THE HOLD POINT.' AS ACFT APCHED THE HOLD POINT THE FO LOOKED TO CHARTS TO RETRIEVE TWR FREQ AND AFTER SELECTING FREQ ON RADIO'S LOOKED OUTSIDE AGAIN NOTING THAT ACFT HAD BEEN TAXIED BEYOND HOLD LINE FOR 34R. THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF THE HOLD LINES NOT BEING REFLECTIVE SO THAT TAXI LIGHTS WILL MAKE THEM STAND OUT AND THE SIGNAGE NOT EYE CATCHING ENOUGH. ALSO AT THIS POINT THE PLT TAXIING THE ACFT (SITTING ON L SIDE OF ACFT) MAY NOT SEE THE HOLD LINES AS THE LINES ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF A 90 DEG R TURN. THERE ARE GREEN TAXI LIGHTS ON SOME PARTS OF ARPT BUT IF THEY EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE HOLD POS I DID NOT SEE THEM AT DUSK THIS EVENING. THE TAXI LINE TO THE HOLD POINT FORCES ACFT TO MAKE HARD 90 DEG IF YOU STAY ON TAXI LINE; POSSIBLY A ROUNDED TAXI LINE WOULD PUT ACFT IN POS TO MAKE THE QUICK TAXI ACROSS 34R AS IS NORMALLY REQUESTED AT BUSY TIMES SUCH AS THIS EVENING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 205197. CAPT OF TAXI OVER HOLD LINE OF RWY 34R. AS A RESULT OF DISTR CAUSED BY THE CAPT TO OTHER CREW MEMBERS, THE FO WAS UNABLE TO CAUTION OR PREVENT THE ACFT FROM TAXIING PAST 34R HOLD LINE. THE SO NOTIFIED THE CREW OF TAXIING PAST THE HOLD LINE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.