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An air carrier medium large transport crew flew an overwater route from mia to lga. The aircraft was overwater equipped, but the crew was not overwater trained or current.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 235164 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199302 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mia |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma tower : mia |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial cruise other ground : preflight |
| Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : atlantic |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer |
| ASRS Report | 235164 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 234822 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Mia-lga. Route: beeam, AR7, adoor, A700, merci, A554, champ, 4300, owenz, lga. En route to merci, captain questioned the legality of a domestic crew to accept and fly this route. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporting so states that the aircraft was overwater equipped. The captain had been qualified on international rtes as a first officer but was no longer current. The crew called their dispatch office on arrival in lga. The dispatcher said that the crew 'shouldn't have done this.' as long as no one tells on this crew, all will be well. Far 121.443 seems to indicate that this is acceptable except for the fact that training requirements agreed to between the air carrier and the FAA had not been complied with. All navigation and emergency gear was in place. Supplemental information from acn 234822: we were unsure whether we were legal to fly the route due to the fact that we were a domestic qualified crew and were not international qualified.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG CREW FLEW AN OVERWATER RTE FROM MIA TO LGA. THE ACFT WAS OVERWATER EQUIPPED, BUT THE CREW WAS NOT OVERWATER TRAINED OR CURRENT.
Narrative: MIA-LGA. RTE: BEEAM, AR7, ADOOR, A700, MERCI, A554, CHAMP, 4300, OWENZ, LGA. ENRTE TO MERCI, CAPT QUESTIONED THE LEGALITY OF A DOMESTIC CREW TO ACCEPT AND FLY THIS RTE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTING SO STATES THAT THE ACFT WAS OVERWATER EQUIPPED. THE CAPT HAD BEEN QUALIFIED ON INTL RTES AS A FO BUT WAS NO LONGER CURRENT. THE CREW CALLED THEIR DISPATCH OFFICE ON ARR IN LGA. THE DISPATCHER SAID THAT THE CREW 'SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS.' AS LONG AS NO ONE TELLS ON THIS CREW, ALL WILL BE WELL. FAR 121.443 SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THIS IS ACCEPTABLE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AGREED TO BTWN THE ACR AND THE FAA HAD NOT BEEN COMPLIED WITH. ALL NAV AND EMER GEAR WAS IN PLACE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 234822: WE WERE UNSURE WHETHER WE WERE LEGAL TO FLY THE RTE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE A DOMESTIC QUALIFIED CREW AND WERE NOT INTL QUALIFIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.