37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 241656 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 121 flight time total : 6491 flight time type : 163 |
ASRS Report | 241656 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
The heading was refined to 180 degrees on initial check in on the new frequency. Our position at this point was about the atl 080/15. Passing through 6000 ft we were turned to a heading of 210 degrees (no mention of intercepting the localizer) and the traffic we were to follow was called out to us to be an medium large transport at our 2 O'clock position at 6000 ft. Although we had no traffic in sight at the position called to us, we did have traffic that fit the description at our 12 O'clock position. The radio traffic at this point was so heavy we were unable to either call the traffic or airport in sight or query the controller as to whether he wanted us to join the runway 26R localizer (as we were rapidly approaching the runway 26R centerline). We were now level at 5000 ft flying through the runway 26R localizer, nearing the runway 27R approach path and still unable to get a word in to approach control. We knew they had dropped the bubble on us and probably thought they had cleared us for the runway 26R visual approach, but we were unable to confirm this. We held our assigned heading and altitude as long as we safely could with oncoming aircraft for runway 27R in sight. However, still unable to contact approach control, we finally received TCASII RA's on the runway 27R aircraft and followed those RA's. The first RA, which was on air carrier Y that was in sight and at our altitude, directed us to descend which we did. Immediately following that RA (and now at 4000 ft) we received another RA directing us to descend again, this time on air carrier Z that we did not have in visual contact. When that conflict was resolved we were approximately 1 - 1 1/2 mi south of the runway 27R centerline and at 3000 ft. At that point we were finally able to break in to the radio traffic and contact approach control. We told him of our position and circumstance and he again assigned us a 210 degree heading! We queried that and he changed it to 310 degrees and 3500 ft to join the runway 26R localizer and cleared us for a visual approach to runway 26R. After landing I contacted the approach control supervisor via telephone. I asked him if we had missed a transmission or not followed instructions given to us and he replied that we had not missed anything, just that a 'couple got away from the controller and broke through to the south side complex.' although I think TCASII would be more effective if it did not require the pilot to look inside the cockpit to determine exactly what it wanted him to do and thereby taking his eyes away from searching for the conflicting traffic, it was certainly effective for us today in avoiding the traffic we were flown into conflict with. It was particularly effective considering we were focused on the first conflicting aircraft and never saw the second conflicting aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MULTIPLE RWY OP PARALLEL RWYS VISUAL APCH. ACR X HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y AND Z. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: THE HDG WAS REFINED TO 180 DEGS ON INITIAL CHK IN ON THE NEW FREQ. OUR POS AT THIS POINT WAS ABOUT THE ATL 080/15. PASSING THROUGH 6000 FT WE WERE TURNED TO A HDG OF 210 DEGS (NO MENTION OF INTERCEPTING THE LOC) AND THE TFC WE WERE TO FOLLOW WAS CALLED OUT TO US TO BE AN MLG AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS AT 6000 FT. ALTHOUGH WE HAD NO TFC IN SIGHT AT THE POS CALLED TO US, WE DID HAVE TFC THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS. THE RADIO TFC AT THIS POINT WAS SO HVY WE WERE UNABLE TO EITHER CALL THE TFC OR ARPT IN SIGHT OR QUERY THE CTLR AS TO WHETHER HE WANTED US TO JOIN THE RWY 26R LOC (AS WE WERE RAPIDLY APCHING THE RWY 26R CTRLINE). WE WERE NOW LEVEL AT 5000 FT FLYING THROUGH THE RWY 26R LOC, NEARING THE RWY 27R APCH PATH AND STILL UNABLE TO GET A WORD IN TO APCH CTL. WE KNEW THEY HAD DROPPED THE BUBBLE ON US AND PROBABLY THOUGHT THEY HAD CLRED US FOR THE RWY 26R VISUAL APCH, BUT WE WERE UNABLE TO CONFIRM THIS. WE HELD OUR ASSIGNED HDG AND ALT AS LONG AS WE SAFELY COULD WITH ONCOMING ACFT FOR RWY 27R IN SIGHT. HOWEVER, STILL UNABLE TO CONTACT APCH CTL, WE FINALLY RECEIVED TCASII RA'S ON THE RWY 27R ACFT AND FOLLOWED THOSE RA'S. THE FIRST RA, WHICH WAS ON ACR Y THAT WAS IN SIGHT AND AT OUR ALT, DIRECTED US TO DSND WHICH WE DID. IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT RA (AND NOW AT 4000 FT) WE RECEIVED ANOTHER RA DIRECTING US TO DSND AGAIN, THIS TIME ON ACR Z THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IN VISUAL CONTACT. WHEN THAT CONFLICT WAS RESOLVED WE WERE APPROX 1 - 1 1/2 MI S OF THE RWY 27R CTRLINE AND AT 3000 FT. AT THAT POINT WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO BREAK IN TO THE RADIO TFC AND CONTACT APCH CTL. WE TOLD HIM OF OUR POS AND CIRCUMSTANCE AND HE AGAIN ASSIGNED US A 210 DEG HDG! WE QUERIED THAT AND HE CHANGED IT TO 310 DEGS AND 3500 FT TO JOIN THE RWY 26R LOC AND CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 26R. AFTER LNDG I CONTACTED THE APCH CTL SUPVR VIA TELEPHONE. I ASKED HIM IF WE HAD MISSED A XMISSION OR NOT FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO US AND HE REPLIED THAT WE HAD NOT MISSED ANYTHING, JUST THAT A 'COUPLE GOT AWAY FROM THE CTLR AND BROKE THROUGH TO THE S SIDE COMPLEX.' ALTHOUGH I THINK TCASII WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE IF IT DID NOT REQUIRE THE PLT TO LOOK INSIDE THE COCKPIT TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT IT WANTED HIM TO DO AND THEREBY TAKING HIS EYES AWAY FROM SEARCHING FOR THE CONFLICTING TFC, IT WAS CERTAINLY EFFECTIVE FOR US TODAY IN AVOIDING THE TFC WE WERE FLOWN INTO CONFLICT WITH. IT WAS PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE CONSIDERING WE WERE FOCUSED ON THE FIRST CONFLICTING ACFT AND NEVER SAW THE SECOND CONFLICTING ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.