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Attributes | |
ACN | 290917 |
Time | |
Date | 199412 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sap |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : tys |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 290917 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 292147 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
While starting #2 engine, start valve circuit breaker popped. Reset circuit breaker, after cooling period, and successfully started #2 engine. While starting #3 engine same circuit breaker popped again. Manual start valve operation abnormal procedure in operating manual was followed. Manual stated to make information-to-maintenance write-up in logbook. Having done this procedure before, I was familiar that it was flight crew placardable. Upon further review of MEL, in-flight, engine start valves are no longer crew placardable. Because of past experience with problem and operating manual stating to make information-to-maintenance write-up, I presumed we were ok to go without maintenance signoff in logbook. We should always investigate problem in MEL after abnormal procedure to double-check everything has been done.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC FAILED TO READ THE MEL.
Narrative: WHILE STARTING #2 ENG, START VALVE CIRCUIT BREAKER POPPED. RESET CIRCUIT BREAKER, AFTER COOLING PERIOD, AND SUCCESSFULLY STARTED #2 ENG. WHILE STARTING #3 ENG SAME CIRCUIT BREAKER POPPED AGAIN. MANUAL START VALVE OP ABNORMAL PROC IN OPERATING MANUAL WAS FOLLOWED. MANUAL STATED TO MAKE INFO-TO-MAINT WRITE-UP IN LOGBOOK. HAVING DONE THIS PROC BEFORE, I WAS FAMILIAR THAT IT WAS FLC PLACARDABLE. UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF MEL, INFLT, ENG START VALVES ARE NO LONGER CREW PLACARDABLE. BECAUSE OF PAST EXPERIENCE WITH PROB AND OPERATING MANUAL STATING TO MAKE INFO-TO-MAINT WRITE-UP, I PRESUMED WE WERE OK TO GO WITHOUT MAINT SIGNOFF IN LOGBOOK. WE SHOULD ALWAYS INVESTIGATE PROB IN MEL AFTER ABNORMAL PROC TO DOUBLE-CHK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.