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Attributes | |
ACN | 310490 |
Time | |
Date | 199507 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cce |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9400 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors enroute : direct enroute airway : zma |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 245 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 2342 |
ASRS Report | 310490 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on vectors to avoid thunderstorms descending into miami. When able to avoid thunderstorms, we were cleared direct to worpp (cle 110 degrees 46 NM). Center said we were #1 and keep the airspeed up. We were now cleared to cross worpp at 250 KIAS and 10000 ft. The first officer was flying at 315 KIAS. As we descended through 14000 ft, center called and what we thought was, maintain 13000 ft for traffic, that is what we read back. There was other communication traffic that overrode our incoming and outgoing xmissions. Center soon called and asked, were we going to make worpp at 10000 ft? That's when we discovered the miscom. I had asked the first officer to slow the aircraft down because of cumulus buildups up to 11000 ft. He argued with me because center asked us to keep the airspeed up. I was about to tell center about our decreased airspeed. Now when center asked about us getting down to 10000 ft, the clouds were behind us. The first officer was slowing down to get the 250 KIAS speed under control. I told him to get down to 10000 ft first with speed brakes out and then get the 250 KIAS because altitude was more critical. He started arguing with me again while in descent and ran through 10000 ft down to 9400 ft and then came back up to 10000 ft. There was heated discussion in the cockpit during an attempted critique. I believe, WX, communication, changing conditions and priorities were all tested.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT OVERSHOT DSCNT ALT AND XING FIX SPD RESTR.
Narrative: WE WERE ON VECTORS TO AVOID TSTMS DSNDING INTO MIAMI. WHEN ABLE TO AVOID TSTMS, WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO WORPP (CLE 110 DEGS 46 NM). CTR SAID WE WERE #1 AND KEEP THE AIRSPD UP. WE WERE NOW CLRED TO CROSS WORPP AT 250 KIAS AND 10000 FT. THE FO WAS FLYING AT 315 KIAS. AS WE DSNDED THROUGH 14000 FT, CTR CALLED AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS, MAINTAIN 13000 FT FOR TFC, THAT IS WHAT WE READ BACK. THERE WAS OTHER COM TFC THAT OVERRODE OUR INCOMING AND OUTGOING XMISSIONS. CTR SOON CALLED AND ASKED, WERE WE GOING TO MAKE WORPP AT 10000 FT? THAT'S WHEN WE DISCOVERED THE MISCOM. I HAD ASKED THE FO TO SLOW THE ACFT DOWN BECAUSE OF CUMULUS BUILDUPS UP TO 11000 FT. HE ARGUED WITH ME BECAUSE CTR ASKED US TO KEEP THE AIRSPD UP. I WAS ABOUT TO TELL CTR ABOUT OUR DECREASED AIRSPD. NOW WHEN CTR ASKED ABOUT US GETTING DOWN TO 10000 FT, THE CLOUDS WERE BEHIND US. THE FO WAS SLOWING DOWN TO GET THE 250 KIAS SPD UNDER CTL. I TOLD HIM TO GET DOWN TO 10000 FT FIRST WITH SPD BRAKES OUT AND THEN GET THE 250 KIAS BECAUSE ALT WAS MORE CRITICAL. HE STARTED ARGUING WITH ME AGAIN WHILE IN DSCNT AND RAN THROUGH 10000 FT DOWN TO 9400 FT AND THEN CAME BACK UP TO 10000 FT. THERE WAS HEATED DISCUSSION IN THE COCKPIT DURING AN ATTEMPTED CRITIQUE. I BELIEVE, WX, COM, CHANGING CONDITIONS AND PRIORITIES WERE ALL TESTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.