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Attributes | |
ACN | 318570 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ccs |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ccs |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 318570 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Departing simon bolivar international airport in ccs, venezuela, on the 2 darpa 08-09 SID level at 4000 ft on 023 degree radial to darpa, approach gave us traffic at 2 O'clock and 7000 ft. We acknowledged the traffic. He then cleared us to 6000 ft. We passed the reported traffic which was climbing through 5000 ft and got a TCASII TA at about 2 mi to our right in VMC. The controller had possibly forgotten the traffic was climbing to 7000 ft and had not reached 7000 ft when he realized his mistake. He told us to descend to 4000 ft but we were already at 6000 ft and the traffic was below us. We told him this. He spoke spanish to the other traffic, who then descended. The controller could hardly speak english, which made it hard to understand him. He left us at 6000 ft and requested the name and license number of the captain. After the captain asked for the controller name and license number, we were finally cleared higher. We never exchanged license numbers. The skill of the controllers are poor along with their english and radios. Speaking both spanish and english only makes matters worse. We have no idea what the other aircraft was cleared. We cannot anticipate any orders. The controllers in this area have a poor reputation among all major airlines.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT HAS LTSS WITH ACFT ON CLB. TCASII.
Narrative: DEPARTING SIMON BOLIVAR INTL ARPT IN CCS, VENEZUELA, ON THE 2 DARPA 08-09 SID LEVEL AT 4000 FT ON 023 DEG RADIAL TO DARPA, APCH GAVE US TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK AND 7000 FT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE TFC. HE THEN CLRED US TO 6000 FT. WE PASSED THE RPTED TFC WHICH WAS CLBING THROUGH 5000 FT AND GOT A TCASII TA AT ABOUT 2 MI TO OUR R IN VMC. THE CTLR HAD POSSIBLY FORGOTTEN THE TFC WAS CLBING TO 7000 FT AND HAD NOT REACHED 7000 FT WHEN HE REALIZED HIS MISTAKE. HE TOLD US TO DSND TO 4000 FT BUT WE WERE ALREADY AT 6000 FT AND THE TFC WAS BELOW US. WE TOLD HIM THIS. HE SPOKE SPANISH TO THE OTHER TFC, WHO THEN DSNDED. THE CTLR COULD HARDLY SPEAK ENGLISH, WHICH MADE IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND HIM. HE LEFT US AT 6000 FT AND REQUESTED THE NAME AND LICENSE NUMBER OF THE CAPT. AFTER THE CAPT ASKED FOR THE CTLR NAME AND LICENSE NUMBER, WE WERE FINALLY CLRED HIGHER. WE NEVER EXCHANGED LICENSE NUMBERS. THE SKILL OF THE CTLRS ARE POOR ALONG WITH THEIR ENGLISH AND RADIOS. SPEAKING BOTH SPANISH AND ENGLISH ONLY MAKES MATTERS WORSE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OTHER ACFT WAS CLRED. WE CANNOT ANTICIPATE ANY ORDERS. THE CTLRS IN THIS AREA HAVE A POOR REPUTATION AMONG ALL MAJOR AIRLINES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.