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While on an IFR clearance with instructions to maintain VFR, an instructor pilot and student entered IMC. The instructor pilot communicated the situation to the approach controller and received an IFR clearance to the destination.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 336085 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199605 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 630 |
| ASRS Report | 336085 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Student training flight for instrument rating. We were on a vector with VFR restrs at 4500 ft AGL. Hold at this altitude for about 10 mins, with small vectors. I (CFI) forgot about our VFR restr and wanted student to experience IMC, so when we were about to enter cloud, I told him to lift hood and look. Then I looked at the altimeter 4500 ft, and realized we were at a VFR altitude and queried the controller and told him we were about to enter a cloud. He said, 'weren't you on a VFR restr?' to which I said yes, but it was too late, we were in the cloud. He immediately gave me an IFR clearance to sna and we broke out of the cloud. We were in the cloud only 10 seconds total. In my zeal to have student experience real IMC, I forgot about the VFR restr given 10 mins earlier. The cloud was an isolated, small cumulus remaining from an earlier storm.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE ON AN IFR CLRNC WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO MAINTAIN VFR, AN INSTRUCTOR PLT AND STUDENT ENTERED IMC. THE INSTRUCTOR PLT COMMUNICATED THE SIT TO THE APCH CTLR AND RECEIVED AN IFR CLRNC TO THE DEST.
Narrative: STUDENT TRAINING FLT FOR INST RATING. WE WERE ON A VECTOR WITH VFR RESTRS AT 4500 FT AGL. HOLD AT THIS ALT FOR ABOUT 10 MINS, WITH SMALL VECTORS. I (CFI) FORGOT ABOUT OUR VFR RESTR AND WANTED STUDENT TO EXPERIENCE IMC, SO WHEN WE WERE ABOUT TO ENTER CLOUD, I TOLD HIM TO LIFT HOOD AND LOOK. THEN I LOOKED AT THE ALTIMETER 4500 FT, AND REALIZED WE WERE AT A VFR ALT AND QUERIED THE CTLR AND TOLD HIM WE WERE ABOUT TO ENTER A CLOUD. HE SAID, 'WEREN'T YOU ON A VFR RESTR?' TO WHICH I SAID YES, BUT IT WAS TOO LATE, WE WERE IN THE CLOUD. HE IMMEDIATELY GAVE ME AN IFR CLRNC TO SNA AND WE BROKE OUT OF THE CLOUD. WE WERE IN THE CLOUD ONLY 10 SECONDS TOTAL. IN MY ZEAL TO HAVE STUDENT EXPERIENCE REAL IMC, I FORGOT ABOUT THE VFR RESTR GIVEN 10 MINS EARLIER. THE CLOUD WAS AN ISOLATED, SMALL CUMULUS REMAINING FROM AN EARLIER STORM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.