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Attributes | |
ACN | 353779 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 353779 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Den approach was IFR runway 35L ILS. Den approach clearance was 'cleared ILS runway 35L, maintain 180 KTS to FAF, contact tower at FAF.' we contacted den tower approaching fix (approximately 2 mi before), advised at 180 KTS reducing to 140 KTS. Den tower 'you were told/cleared to maintain 180 KTS to FAF.' I replied, 'we are reducing to 140 KTS as per our company's SOP' to be configured and stabilized at the FAF. His attitude was not acceptable. We are responsible for the operation of the aircraft. Our procedures govern the operation -- not ATC. If we choose to reduce speed ATC must adjust. He displayed a condescending attitude to a safe operating procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ACFT CLRED ILS RWY 35L MAINTAIN 180 KTS UNTIL THE FAF, CONTACT THE TWR AT THE FAF. RPTR CONTACTED THE TWR 2 NM PRIOR TO THE FAF AND ADVISED SLOWING TO 140 KTS AND TWR LCL CTLR GOT UPSET WITH THE ACR FLC FOR SLOWING PRIOR TO THE FIX. CAPT RPTR SAYS LCL CTLR HAS BAD ATTITUDE.
Narrative: DEN APCH WAS IFR RWY 35L ILS. DEN APCH CLRNC WAS 'CLRED ILS RWY 35L, MAINTAIN 180 KTS TO FAF, CONTACT TWR AT FAF.' WE CONTACTED DEN TWR APCHING FIX (APPROX 2 MI BEFORE), ADVISED AT 180 KTS REDUCING TO 140 KTS. DEN TWR 'YOU WERE TOLD/CLRED TO MAINTAIN 180 KTS TO FAF.' I REPLIED, 'WE ARE REDUCING TO 140 KTS AS PER OUR COMPANY'S SOP' TO BE CONFIGURED AND STABILIZED AT THE FAF. HIS ATTITUDE WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OP OF THE ACFT. OUR PROCS GOVERN THE OP -- NOT ATC. IF WE CHOOSE TO REDUCE SPD ATC MUST ADJUST. HE DISPLAYED A CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE TO A SAFE OPERATING PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.