37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 401218 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : slt |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 36000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 401218 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 401220 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Ord-ewr cruising at FL410. We received clearance to cross 15 mi west slt at FL270, and captain read that back and I verified by pointing at FL270 on MCP. We realized that was just 5 mi away and captain verified with ATC, 15 mi west slt at FL270. They corrected us 15 mi east slt at FL270, and captain read back 15 mi east slt, FL270. We began our descent to make the restr. Descending through FL360, center asked if we were level at FL370, and we realized there must have been a mistake. I turned the autoplt off and climbed back to FL370. At the same time, we received 1 RA 'traffic' callout, and center gave us a left 45 degree turn. We had traffic below at FL350. No near miss occurred. The ATC frequency was busy. Our incorrect readback of FL270 was not caught by the controller 3 times on our readbacks (or possibly we were given FL270 by mistake from ATC. Both pilots thought we heard FL270) and there was confusion about which side of slt VOR for the crossing restr. This was the end of a long duty day (14 hours) and WX delays at both ord and ewr at minimums. After the event we were given clearance to FL240 I believe.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ACFT AT FL410 BECAME CONFUSED BY ZOB WHETHER TO CROSS A FIX 15 MI W OR 15 MI E AT FL270. CREW CLAIMS THE CTR VERIFIED E AT FL270. APCHING THE FIX, THE ACR RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC AT FL350.
Narrative: ORD-EWR CRUISING AT FL410. WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS 15 MI W SLT AT FL270, AND CAPT READ THAT BACK AND I VERIFIED BY POINTING AT FL270 ON MCP. WE REALIZED THAT WAS JUST 5 MI AWAY AND CAPT VERIFIED WITH ATC, 15 MI W SLT AT FL270. THEY CORRECTED US 15 MI E SLT AT FL270, AND CAPT READ BACK 15 MI E SLT, FL270. WE BEGAN OUR DSCNT TO MAKE THE RESTR. DSNDING THROUGH FL360, CTR ASKED IF WE WERE LEVEL AT FL370, AND WE REALIZED THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE. I TURNED THE AUTOPLT OFF AND CLBED BACK TO FL370. AT THE SAME TIME, WE RECEIVED 1 RA 'TFC' CALLOUT, AND CTR GAVE US A L 45 DEG TURN. WE HAD TFC BELOW AT FL350. NO NEAR MISS OCCURRED. THE ATC FREQ WAS BUSY. OUR INCORRECT READBACK OF FL270 WAS NOT CAUGHT BY THE CTLR 3 TIMES ON OUR READBACKS (OR POSSIBLY WE WERE GIVEN FL270 BY MISTAKE FROM ATC. BOTH PLTS THOUGHT WE HEARD FL270) AND THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT WHICH SIDE OF SLT VOR FOR THE XING RESTR. THIS WAS THE END OF A LONG DUTY DAY (14 HRS) AND WX DELAYS AT BOTH ORD AND EWR AT MINIMUMS. AFTER THE EVENT WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO FL240 I BELIEVE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.