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Attributes | |
ACN | 411189 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : abq |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iad |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 411189 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
During taxi for takeoff, captain taxied past hold short line approximately 10-12 ft. Called tower and told them we were ready for takeoff. No traffic conflicts. Tower cleared us onto runway and subsequent takeoff was uneventful. Problem arose due to 2 man cockpit (advanced FMS) and short taxi, along with the fact that taxiway a is part on same concrete as terminal ramp. First officer was busy readying cockpit for departure and reading checklist. Airport layout is very confusing. There is no boundary between the terminal ramp and taxiway a. Incursion occurred at taxiway A3. The perception is that txwys C, A3, A2, and A1 are exits from ramp, not onto runway 8/26 at abq. There needs to be a physical barrier or better signs demarking taxiway a and the terminal ramp. At the very least, some warning signs at txwys A1, A2, A3, and C warning of danger of possible runway incursion due to poor design of airport. Procedures should be studied for higher workload cockpits in 2 man crews. Maybe a procedure that requires the aircraft to be stopped while taxiing when data is entered in FMS. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: first officer admits to being busy with the checklist during the taxi out. He stated that the hold lines were visible but felt that the illusion that one experiences about the ramp versus the runway was causal. The access txwys are very short and the perception is that those txwys are exits to a parallel taxiway which, in reality, is runway 8. He doesn't know if the captain filed a company report or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A TAXIING ACR MLG PASSES OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 8 AT ABQ. THE ACFT WAS AT TXWY A3 AND THE FO CLAIMS THAT THERE IS AN ARPT PROB WITH THE ILLUSION OF THE TXWYS AT C, A1, A2 AND A3 BEING SIMPLY EXITS FROM THE RAMP AND NOT ACCESS TXWYS TO THE RWY. SAYS THERE SHOULD BE WARNING SIGNS REGARDING A POSSIBLE RWY INCURSION IN THIS AREA.
Narrative: DURING TAXI FOR TKOF, CAPT TAXIED PAST HOLD SHORT LINE APPROX 10-12 FT. CALLED TWR AND TOLD THEM WE WERE READY FOR TKOF. NO TFC CONFLICTS. TWR CLRED US ONTO RWY AND SUBSEQUENT TKOF WAS UNEVENTFUL. PROB AROSE DUE TO 2 MAN COCKPIT (ADVANCED FMS) AND SHORT TAXI, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT TXWY A IS PART ON SAME CONCRETE AS TERMINAL RAMP. FO WAS BUSY READYING COCKPIT FOR DEP AND READING CHKLIST. ARPT LAYOUT IS VERY CONFUSING. THERE IS NO BOUNDARY BTWN THE TERMINAL RAMP AND TXWY A. INCURSION OCCURRED AT TXWY A3. THE PERCEPTION IS THAT TXWYS C, A3, A2, AND A1 ARE EXITS FROM RAMP, NOT ONTO RWY 8/26 AT ABQ. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PHYSICAL BARRIER OR BETTER SIGNS DEMARKING TXWY A AND THE TERMINAL RAMP. AT THE VERY LEAST, SOME WARNING SIGNS AT TXWYS A1, A2, A3, AND C WARNING OF DANGER OF POSSIBLE RWY INCURSION DUE TO POOR DESIGN OF ARPT. PROCS SHOULD BE STUDIED FOR HIGHER WORKLOAD COCKPITS IN 2 MAN CREWS. MAYBE A PROC THAT REQUIRES THE ACFT TO BE STOPPED WHILE TAXIING WHEN DATA IS ENTERED IN FMS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: FO ADMITS TO BEING BUSY WITH THE CHKLIST DURING THE TAXI OUT. HE STATED THAT THE HOLD LINES WERE VISIBLE BUT FELT THAT THE ILLUSION THAT ONE EXPERIENCES ABOUT THE RAMP VERSUS THE RWY WAS CAUSAL. THE ACCESS TXWYS ARE VERY SHORT AND THE PERCEPTION IS THAT THOSE TXWYS ARE EXITS TO A PARALLEL TXWY WHICH, IN REALITY, IS RWY 8. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF THE CAPT FILED A COMPANY RPT OR NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.