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Attributes | |
ACN | 417072 |
Time | |
Date | 199810 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bdr |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 6006 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 417072 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I am reporting what I believe is a very dangerous situation that has developed in the daily operation of new york approach into the jfk airport. While flying the pawling 2 arrival (pwl.PWL2) my flts encounter RA's frequently when south of loves intersection, and especially in the bdr area. The STAR has aircraft crossing loves intersection at 6000 ft and then ATC keeps aircraft at 4000 ft over bdr. My aircraft indicates 250 KTS at this altitude and these low crossing restrs seem inappropriate. In addition, during VMC, aircraft not under IFR flight plans are not required to have operating xponders in this area since it is outside the new york class B 30 mi veil! My company continues to file the high altitude STAR over lendy (lvz,LENDY4) but ATC simply won't let us do it. In addition to the traffic danger of the pawling STAR, our fuel burn is unreasonably high due to the low altitudes, and can also pose operational problems due to delays (ie, diversion due to low fuel). I have no doubt that a midair collision will eventually occur on the pawling arrival and will involve an air carrier aircraft. In my experience while flying this arrival, it appears that no amount of vigilance will protect my passenger and crew because of the high traffic density at these altitudes, in this area. Let us not wait for a tragedy for ATC to finally revise this arrival to much slower aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CLAIMS THE ROUTING HE IS GIVEN INTO JFK IS OUTSIDE THE CLASS B AIRSPACE AND IS A TFC DANGER BECAUSE OF A HIGH DENSITY OF VFR TFC NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE OPERATING XPONDERS. IT ALSO CAUSES A HIGH FUEL BURN BECAUSE OF LOW ALTS FLOWN.
Narrative: I AM RPTING WHAT I BELIEVE IS A VERY DANGEROUS SIT THAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THE DAILY OP OF NEW YORK APCH INTO THE JFK ARPT. WHILE FLYING THE PAWLING 2 ARR (PWL.PWL2) MY FLTS ENCOUNTER RA'S FREQUENTLY WHEN S OF LOVES INTXN, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE BDR AREA. THE STAR HAS ACFT XING LOVES INTXN AT 6000 FT AND THEN ATC KEEPS ACFT AT 4000 FT OVER BDR. MY ACFT INDICATES 250 KTS AT THIS ALT AND THESE LOW XING RESTRS SEEM INAPPROPRIATE. IN ADDITION, DURING VMC, ACFT NOT UNDER IFR FLT PLANS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE OPERATING XPONDERS IN THIS AREA SINCE IT IS OUTSIDE THE NEW YORK CLASS B 30 MI VEIL! MY COMPANY CONTINUES TO FILE THE HIGH ALT STAR OVER LENDY (LVZ,LENDY4) BUT ATC SIMPLY WON'T LET US DO IT. IN ADDITION TO THE TFC DANGER OF THE PAWLING STAR, OUR FUEL BURN IS UNREASONABLY HIGH DUE TO THE LOW ALTS, AND CAN ALSO POSE OPERATIONAL PROBS DUE TO DELAYS (IE, DIVERSION DUE TO LOW FUEL). I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT A MIDAIR COLLISION WILL EVENTUALLY OCCUR ON THE PAWLING ARR AND WILL INVOLVE AN ACR ACFT. IN MY EXPERIENCE WHILE FLYING THIS ARR, IT APPEARS THAT NO AMOUNT OF VIGILANCE WILL PROTECT MY PAX AND CREW BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TFC DENSITY AT THESE ALTS, IN THIS AREA. LET US NOT WAIT FOR A TRAGEDY FOR ATC TO FINALLY REVISE THIS ARR TO MUCH SLOWER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.