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Attributes | |
ACN | 443754 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17l other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 443754 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On final runway 17L, cleared to land by tower. Departing aircraft runway 13L. Heard tower give runway 13L aircraft cleared for takeoff after we were inside coppl at approximately 400 ft. Runway 13L aircraft had lifted off, and it became apparent he would be at our altitude on normal GS. No missed approach for this passing below runway 13L departure. This could not be required separation and if it is, it's unsafe. Tower's response was 'you were told of departure and to call tower on ground if problem.' there is no place to go in this situation. If we miss and climb we are at their altitude -- can't go left or right. At any other place this had to be a near miss. We had to duck under GS to avoid problem. And if this takeoff procedure is legal at night, it's an accident looking for a place to happen. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter indicates that while conditions were VFR, the proximity of the aircraft departing on runway 13L was a surprise to his flight crew. He mentioned that since the incident in question, he has learned that the dfw tower frequently uses runway 13L to depart smaller aircraft between aircraft arriving on runway 17L. He indicates that the departing aircraft in this instance, apparently became airborne sooner than normal, causing the potential conflict. His concern is that while this procedure is adequate under normal conditions, an irregularity could put both aircraft in danger.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: F100 FLC CLRED TO LAND WHILE DEP ACFT CLRED TO TAKE OFF ON RWY INTERSECTING APCH COURSE AT DFW.
Narrative: ON FINAL RWY 17L, CLRED TO LAND BY TWR. DEPARTING ACFT RWY 13L. HEARD TWR GIVE RWY 13L ACFT CLRED FOR TKOF AFTER WE WERE INSIDE COPPL AT APPROX 400 FT. RWY 13L ACFT HAD LIFTED OFF, AND IT BECAME APPARENT HE WOULD BE AT OUR ALT ON NORMAL GS. NO MISSED APCH FOR THIS PASSING BELOW RWY 13L DEP. THIS COULD NOT BE REQUIRED SEPARATION AND IF IT IS, IT'S UNSAFE. TWR'S RESPONSE WAS 'YOU WERE TOLD OF DEP AND TO CALL TWR ON GND IF PROB.' THERE IS NO PLACE TO GO IN THIS SIT. IF WE MISS AND CLB WE ARE AT THEIR ALT -- CAN'T GO L OR R. AT ANY OTHER PLACE THIS HAD TO BE A NEAR MISS. WE HAD TO DUCK UNDER GS TO AVOID PROB. AND IF THIS TKOF PROC IS LEGAL AT NIGHT, IT'S AN ACCIDENT LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAPPEN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR INDICATES THAT WHILE CONDITIONS WERE VFR, THE PROX OF THE ACFT DEPARTING ON RWY 13L WAS A SURPRISE TO HIS FLC. HE MENTIONED THAT SINCE THE INCIDENT IN QUESTION, HE HAS LEARNED THAT THE DFW TWR FREQUENTLY USES RWY 13L TO DEPART SMALLER ACFT BTWN ACFT ARRIVING ON RWY 17L. HE INDICATES THAT THE DEPARTING ACFT IN THIS INSTANCE, APPARENTLY BECAME AIRBORNE SOONER THAN NORMAL, CAUSING THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT. HIS CONCERN IS THAT WHILE THIS PROC IS ADEQUATE UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, AN IRREGULARITY COULD PUT BOTH ACFT IN DANGER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.