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Attributes | |
ACN | 476247 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Sat |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx.airport |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : bonvl 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 28000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 476247 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
On descent at about 3500 ft MSL received TCASII and a call from pdx approach to turn left to 180 degrees at same time TCASII 'climb, climb, climb.' first officer and jump seat [occupant] saw aircraft at 100 ft off right side of aircraft. Called duty (TRACON) supervisor on ground. He reported problem with small aircraft in columbia river gorge. When winds pick up, they climb into approach corridor, which is not class C airspace. When problem gets too bad, ZSE shoots down bonvl arrs. Doesn't make sense -- it should be protected airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CREW HAD AN NMAC AND TCASII RA IN PDX CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON DSCNT AT ABOUT 3500 FT MSL RECEIVED TCASII AND A CALL FROM PDX APCH TO TURN L TO 180 DEGS AT SAME TIME TCASII 'CLB, CLB, CLB.' FO AND JUMP SEAT [OCCUPANT] SAW ACFT AT 100 FT OFF R SIDE OF ACFT. CALLED DUTY (TRACON) SUPVR ON GND. HE RPTED PROB WITH SMALL ACFT IN COLUMBIA RIVER GORGE. WHEN WINDS PICK UP, THEY CLB INTO APCH CORRIDOR, WHICH IS NOT CLASS C AIRSPACE. WHEN PROB GETS TOO BAD, ZSE SHOOTS DOWN BONVL ARRS. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE -- IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.