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Attributes | |
ACN | 484323 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : f70.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Route In Use | departure : vfr |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Robinson R22 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 1025 flight time type : 1025 |
ASRS Report | 484323 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : 1 |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I flew to french valley airport (F70) with my student to solo him. Upon arrival I had him do three (3) turns in the pattern with were uneventful. Upon completion of the patterns I had my student drop me off in the transient ramp area. There I reviewed his documents one last time and then sent him on his way for his third solo flight as this airport. After walking away from the plane I sat down by a light post and turned on my transceiver to listen to the radio calls. A few minutes later I heard a helicopter call out final for the active runway. A few seconds later I heard same helicopter call asking if the cessna taking the runway saw him on final. There was no answer. About 2 seconds later I heard my student on the radio saying he was taking off on the active runway. That is when I first realized that my student was involved in a runway incursion. Before I was able to make a radio call to my student he had already taken off and the helicopter was making what looked like a normal landing in the ramp area. I let my student complete the traffic pattern and then told him to come pick me up, because I had to talk to him. Once on the ground I briefed the student on what had happened and asked why he took off when there was a helicopter on final. He said that since the helicopter never had used the runways before he did not think this one would either so he ignored him. I then debriefed him on the importance of collision avoidance especially at an uncontrolled airport. We then flew back to santa ana airport (sna) with no further mishaps where I once again debriefed him on the situation. Callback conversation with the reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated that his trainee was having difficulty with the english language, he withdrew from the program.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT X TAXIED ON TO RWY AND BEGAN HIS TKOF ROLL AS ACFT Y WAS ABOUT TO LAND.
Narrative: I FLEW TO FRENCH VALLEY ARPT (F70) WITH MY STUDENT TO SOLO HIM. UPON ARRIVAL I HAD HIM DO THREE (3) TURNS IN THE PATTERN WITH WERE UNEVENTFUL. UPON COMPLETION OF THE PATTERNS I HAD MY STUDENT DROP ME OFF IN THE TRANSIENT RAMP AREA. THERE I REVIEWED HIS DOCUMENTS ONE LAST TIME AND THEN SENT HIM ON HIS WAY FOR HIS THIRD SOLO FLT AS THIS ARPT. AFTER WALKING AWAY FROM THE PLANE I SAT DOWN BY A LIGHT POST AND TURNED ON MY TRANSCEIVER TO LISTEN TO THE RADIO CALLS. A FEW MINUTES LATER I HEARD A HELICOPTER CALL OUT FINAL FOR THE ACTIVE RWY. A FEW SECONDS LATER I HEARD SAME HELICOPTER CALL ASKING IF THE CESSNA TAKING THE RWY SAW HIM ON FINAL. THERE WAS NO ANSWER. ABOUT 2 SECONDS LATER I HEARD MY STUDENT ON THE RADIO SAYING HE WAS TAKING OFF ON THE ACTIVE RWY. THAT IS WHEN I FIRST REALIZED THAT MY STUDENT WAS INVOLVED IN A RWY INCURSION. BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO MAKE A RADIO CALL TO MY STUDENT HE HAD ALREADY TAKEN OFF AND THE HELICOPTER WAS MAKING WHAT LOOKED LIKE A NORMAL LANDING IN THE RAMP AREA. I LET MY STUDENT COMPLETE THE TFC PATTERN AND THEN TOLD HIM TO COME PICK ME UP, BECAUSE I HAD TO TALK TO HIM. ONCE ON THE GND I BRIEFED THE STUDENT ON WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND ASKED WHY HE TOOK OFF WHEN THERE WAS A HELICOPTER ON FINAL. HE SAID THAT SINCE THE HELICOPTER NEVER HAD USED THE RWYS BEFORE HE DID NOT THINK THIS ONE WOULD EITHER SO HE IGNORED HIM. I THEN DEBRIEFED HIM ON THE IMPORTANCE OF COLLISION AVOIDANCE ESPECIALLY AT AN UNCONTROLLED ARPT. WE THEN FLEW BACK TO SANTA ANA ARPT (SNA) WITH NO FURTHER MISHAPS WHERE I ONCE AGAIN DEBRIEFED HIM ON THE SIT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH THE RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED THAT HIS TRAINEE WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, HE WITHDREW FROM THE PROGRAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.