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Attributes | |
ACN | 490674 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mgm.airport |
State Reference | AL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mgm.tracon tower : nkt.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation X |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mgm.tracon |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighting Falcon F16 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 68 flight time total : 11335 flight time type : 395 |
ASRS Report | 490674 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical conflict : nmac inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Approach was vectoring us to an area where we could descend. The F16's were called to us at 10000 ft. We had TCASII contact but couldn't see them because we were in and out of clouds. All at once I saw an up arrow on the target and numbers decreasing. We got an RA fly up and voice call 'pull up' at maximum power we climbed to 11600 ft and the target stayed at 200 ft separation until we passed 11500 ft and we separated from the F16's. We saw one of the F16's for a moment just prior to the event. This could have possibly been avoided if the F16's had been on VHF. We knew the controller was talking to a military plane and that was all. I have been trying/begging the local military to use VHF's versus UHF so we could know where each other was. They don't like to. I think all military should use VHF when flying around civilian airports or local traffic areas. Supplemental information from acn 490933: C750 was handed off from center level 11000 ft MSL advised that he climbed due to TCASII resolution from military level at 10000 ft MSL. Traffic was issued and collision alert sounded. No observed loss of separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C750 FLC AND FLT OF 2 MIL F16'S HAD NMAC IN MGM CLASS E.
Narrative: APCH WAS VECTORING US TO AN AREA WHERE WE COULD DSND. THE F16'S WERE CALLED TO US AT 10000 FT. WE HAD TCASII CONTACT BUT COULDN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE WE WERE IN AND OUT OF CLOUDS. ALL AT ONCE I SAW AN UP ARROW ON THE TARGET AND NUMBERS DECREASING. WE GOT AN RA FLY UP AND VOICE CALL 'PULL UP' AT MAX PWR WE CLBED TO 11600 FT AND THE TARGET STAYED AT 200 FT SEPARATION UNTIL WE PASSED 11500 FT AND WE SEPARATED FROM THE F16'S. WE SAW ONE OF THE F16'S FOR A MOMENT JUST PRIOR TO THE EVENT. THIS COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN AVOIDED IF THE F16'S HAD BEEN ON VHF. WE KNEW THE CTLR WAS TALKING TO A MIL PLANE AND THAT WAS ALL. I HAVE BEEN TRYING/BEGGING THE LCL MIL TO USE VHF'S VERSUS UHF SO WE COULD KNOW WHERE EACH OTHER WAS. THEY DON'T LIKE TO. I THINK ALL MIL SHOULD USE VHF WHEN FLYING AROUND CIVILIAN ARPTS OR LCL TFC AREAS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 490933: C750 WAS HANDED OFF FROM CTR LEVEL 11000 FT MSL ADVISED THAT HE CLBED DUE TO TCASII RESOLUTION FROM MIL LEVEL AT 10000 FT MSL. TFC WAS ISSUED AND COLLISION ALERT SOUNDED. NO OBSERVED LOSS OF SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.