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Attributes | |
ACN | 493764 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 493764 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were at FL180, other plane was at 17000 ft. ATC gave us the traffic 4 mi right and parallel. We acknowledged and said 'in sight.' controller then cleared us for a visual descent to 13000 ft. I started down, and the other aircraft made a turn toward our path. TCASII gave a TA then RA 'monitor vertical descent.' I turned right and climbed to FL180 behind the aircraft. In hindsight, we should not have been given a visual descent. I did not know the intent of the other aircraft. I was expecting to parallel his course in descent. We were given instructions to 'maintain visual separation,' 'descend to 13000 ft.' controller seemed busy with other traffic. 'Vibes' was our next crossing point (13000 ft) on the STAR (mid) arrival to lga.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 PLTS IN DSCNT INSTRUCTED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM PARALLELING TFC 1000 FT BELOW, RECEIVE A TCASII RA WHEN THE TFC MAKES A TURN TOWARD THEIR PATH.
Narrative: WE WERE AT FL180, OTHER PLANE WAS AT 17000 FT. ATC GAVE US THE TFC 4 MI R AND PARALLEL. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND SAID 'IN SIGHT.' CTLR THEN CLRED US FOR A VISUAL DSCNT TO 13000 FT. I STARTED DOWN, AND THE OTHER ACFT MADE A TURN TOWARD OUR PATH. TCASII GAVE A TA THEN RA 'MONITOR VERT DSCNT.' I TURNED R AND CLBED TO FL180 BEHIND THE ACFT. IN HINDSIGHT, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN A VISUAL DSCNT. I DID NOT KNOW THE INTENT OF THE OTHER ACFT. I WAS EXPECTING TO PARALLEL HIS COURSE IN DSCNT. WE WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO 'MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION,' 'DSND TO 13000 FT.' CTLR SEEMED BUSY WITH OTHER TFC. 'VIBES' WAS OUR NEXT XING POINT (13000 FT) ON THE STAR (MID) ARR TO LGA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.