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Attributes | |
ACN | 519805 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : ttt.vor |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15700 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 519805 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1400 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
'Heard' TCASII 'descend' resolution. Went to 15700 ft MSL. Aircraft above was showing +400 ft above us (was not at 16500 ft). Center had not called out any traffic. Did not know if he was descending, VFR, IFR, or what. Center was indignant that we had descended with 'heard' descend on TCASII. ZFW should have called this traffic as a 'courtesy' since it was so close and we had no clue as to what it was doing or type of flight plan even if it was VFR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 FLC DSNDED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA OF AN UNKNOWN ACFT 400 FT ABOVE THEM AND CLOSING WITHOUT ANY ADVISORY FROM ARTCC CTLR.
Narrative: 'HEARD' TCASII 'DSND' RESOLUTION. WENT TO 15700 FT MSL. ACFT ABOVE WAS SHOWING +400 FT ABOVE US (WAS NOT AT 16500 FT). CTR HAD NOT CALLED OUT ANY TFC. DID NOT KNOW IF HE WAS DSNDING, VFR, IFR, OR WHAT. CTR WAS INDIGNANT THAT WE HAD DSNDED WITH 'HEARD' DSND ON TCASII. ZFW SHOULD HAVE CALLED THIS TFC AS A 'COURTESY' SINCE IT WAS SO CLOSE AND WE HAD NO CLUE AS TO WHAT IT WAS DOING OR TYPE OF FLT PLAN EVEN IF IT WAS VFR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.