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Attributes | |
ACN | 529097 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzv.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 7 flight time total : 450 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 529097 |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited penetrated airspace none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
Although I was aware of the tfr surrounding WWW, I had not seen that XXX had been added to the list of tfrs. I normally fly the students into that area, as our club is located at YYY and use it as a landmark. The NOTAM regarding the tfr is not given with online briefings (which I obtained before flying on 11/sun/01), and I have been told by other pilots that is not mentioned by FSS personnel when receiving a phone briefing. I only learned that the area I had entered was restricted when I heard a radio transmission to another aircraft advising the pilot of same. Once I realized where I was was not in a place I should have been, I left the area and conducted the rest of the day's activities elsewhere, after I confirmed the facts once back on the ground. I suppose it would be a help, particularly for the online services, if the fdc NOTAMS could be broken up and disseminated in their relevant areas (geographical) as part of NOTAM service, so that we do not have to wade through reams of paper to find a small NOTAM.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 PLT HAD INCURSION OF TFR AIRSPACE WHEN THE FSS DID NOT GIVE THE TFR NOTAM WHEN HE PLT GOT HIS BRIEFING.
Narrative: ALTHOUGH I WAS AWARE OF THE TFR SURROUNDING WWW, I HAD NOT SEEN THAT XXX HAD BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST OF TFRS. I NORMALLY FLY THE STUDENTS INTO THAT AREA, AS OUR CLUB IS LOCATED AT YYY AND USE IT AS A LANDMARK. THE NOTAM REGARDING THE TFR IS NOT GIVEN WITH ONLINE BRIEFINGS (WHICH I OBTAINED BEFORE FLYING ON 11/SUN/01), AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY OTHER PLTS THAT IS NOT MENTIONED BY FSS PERSONNEL WHEN RECEIVING A PHONE BRIEFING. I ONLY LEARNED THAT THE AREA I HAD ENTERED WAS RESTRICTED WHEN I HEARD A RADIO TRANSMISSION TO ANOTHER ACFT ADVISING THE PLT OF SAME. ONCE I REALIZED WHERE I WAS WAS NOT IN A PLACE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I LEFT THE AREA AND CONDUCTED THE REST OF THE DAY'S ACTIVITIES ELSEWHERE, AFTER I CONFIRMED THE FACTS ONCE BACK ON THE GND. I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE A HELP, PARTICULARLY FOR THE ONLINE SERVICES, IF THE FDC NOTAMS COULD BE BROKEN UP AND DISSEMINATED IN THEIR RELEVANT AREAS (GEOGRAPHICAL) AS PART OF NOTAM SERVICE, SO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO WADE THROUGH REAMS OF PAPER TO FIND A SMALL NOTAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.