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Attributes | |
ACN | 540133 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lvs.vortac |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 70 msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tower : hou.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 540133 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Before leaving rno we knew that there was a chance of light chop the entire route. So from the top of climb, every time we checked in with a new controller we reported our smooth ride and asked for reports ahead. The flight was very smooth and we were south of the area of moderate chop being reported over the central colorado rockies. When we checked in with ZAB near lvs, new mexico, we reported our smooth ride, but didn't specifically ask for a report, though we assumed if there were reports of other than smooth, the controller would pass them on to us. After we entered moderate turbulence and requested a descent, after seating the flight attendants, etc, when other aircraft behind us reported moderate as well, the controller responded to them, yes, that's what other flts are reporting. After we found the smooth air at FL290 I asked the controller if ours was the first report of moderate that they had received, they responded no. I said something to the effect that it would have been nice to have been warned. The controller responded that they were not passing the information up the line. The point of this submission is to help find what caused the reports not to be passed on. Was the controller having to work 3 frequencys at the same time, perhaps the other aircraft weren't stressing their conditions clearly enough, had a shift change just occurred and the moderate was not in the hand-over briefing, etc.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR DID NOT RELAY A TURB PIREP TO AN ENRTE FLT IN SMOOTH AIR.
Narrative: BEFORE LEAVING RNO WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A CHANCE OF LIGHT CHOP THE ENTIRE RTE. SO FROM THE TOP OF CLB, EVERY TIME WE CHKED IN WITH A NEW CTLR WE RPTED OUR SMOOTH RIDE AND ASKED FOR RPTS AHEAD. THE FLT WAS VERY SMOOTH AND WE WERE S OF THE AREA OF MODERATE CHOP BEING RPTED OVER THE CENTRAL COLORADO ROCKIES. WHEN WE CHKED IN WITH ZAB NEAR LVS, NEW MEXICO, WE RPTED OUR SMOOTH RIDE, BUT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR A RPT, THOUGH WE ASSUMED IF THERE WERE RPTS OF OTHER THAN SMOOTH, THE CTLR WOULD PASS THEM ON TO US. AFTER WE ENTERED MODERATE TURB AND REQUESTED A DSCNT, AFTER SEATING THE FLT ATTENDANTS, ETC, WHEN OTHER ACFT BEHIND US RPTED MODERATE AS WELL, THE CTLR RESPONDED TO THEM, YES, THAT'S WHAT OTHER FLTS ARE RPTING. AFTER WE FOUND THE SMOOTH AIR AT FL290 I ASKED THE CTLR IF OURS WAS THE FIRST RPT OF MODERATE THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED, THEY RESPONDED NO. I SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE BEEN WARNED. THE CTLR RESPONDED THAT THEY WERE NOT PASSING THE INFO UP THE LINE. THE POINT OF THIS SUBMISSION IS TO HELP FIND WHAT CAUSED THE RPTS NOT TO BE PASSED ON. WAS THE CTLR HAVING TO WORK 3 FREQS AT THE SAME TIME, PERHAPS THE OTHER ACFT WEREN'T STRESSING THEIR CONDITIONS CLRLY ENOUGH, HAD A SHIFT CHANGE JUST OCCURRED AND THE MODERATE WAS NOT IN THE HAND-OVER BRIEFING, ETC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.