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Attributes | |
ACN | 586116 |
Time | |
Date | 200306 |
Day | Thu |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1300 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils other localizer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 586116 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 586117 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
During an lda-a in lga, I had to go around due to very close vectoring by ATC. I ended up being turned inside cohop while still at 2000 ft. The problem arose during the missed approach procedure. Lga tower asked us to maintain 1000 ft while a helicopter traffic crossed the missed approached path. As you see, it calls for a climb to 2700 ft straight ahead on a lga radial 225 degrees. Is there a way to find out if this is a regular practice or an ATC mistake, because I was cleared for an approach and not the visual. Supplemental information from acn 586117: at 1300 ft we began to execute a go around. The tower told us to descend immediately to 1000 ft due to crossing helicopter traffic. We promptly complied and we only received a TA advisory from the TCASII. The helicopter crossed the approach path at 1500 ft. This leaves very little room for a missed approach should it become necessary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMJ LNDG AT LGA MISSED APCH AND CONFLICTED WITH HELI TFC.
Narrative: DURING AN LDA-A IN LGA, I HAD TO GO AROUND DUE TO VERY CLOSE VECTORING BY ATC. I ENDED UP BEING TURNED INSIDE COHOP WHILE STILL AT 2000 FT. THE PROB AROSE DURING THE MISSED APCH PROC. LGA TWR ASKED US TO MAINTAIN 1000 FT WHILE A HELI TFC CROSSED THE MISSED APCHED PATH. AS YOU SEE, IT CALLS FOR A CLB TO 2700 FT STRAIGHT AHEAD ON A LGA RADIAL 225 DEGS. IS THERE A WAY TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS A REGULAR PRACTICE OR AN ATC MISTAKE, BECAUSE I WAS CLRED FOR AN APCH AND NOT THE VISUAL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 586117: AT 1300 FT WE BEGAN TO EXECUTE A GO AROUND. THE TWR TOLD US TO DSND IMMEDIATELY TO 1000 FT DUE TO CROSSING HELI TFC. WE PROMPTLY COMPLIED AND WE ONLY RECEIVED A TA ADVISORY FROM THE TCASII. THE HELI CROSSED THE APCH PATH AT 1500 FT. THIS LEAVES VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR A MISSED APCH SHOULD IT BECOME NECESSARY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.