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Attributes | |
ACN | 596466 |
Time | |
Date | 200310 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : ryy.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7600 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 596466 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
For the departure out of teterboro, nj (teb), we were given the teb 5 SID, departing runway 24. My first officer was flying from the left seat. The departure says to climb on runway heading to 1500 ft, right turn to 280 degrees, maintain 1500 ft until 4.5 DME from teb VOR, then maintain 2000 ft. On this cool day (14 degrees C) and lightly loaded learjet (15000 pound takeoff weight) the aircraft has a very high rate of climb. The first officer being relatively new to the lear was not accustomed to the performance he would get in such conditions. After takeoff, the tower switched us over to ny departure. I was about to change over to departure and noticed we were through 1000 ft and climbing at approximately 5000 FPM. I told the first officer to level at 1500 ft, but he did not level off until reaching 2000 ft. At this time, I called ny departure and they asked what our altitude was. I told them 2000 ft and the controller told me that the SID requires 1500 ft in the area we were in. I then told the controller we would maintain 1500 ft and he told us to climb to and maintain 10000 ft. Soon afterward, he passed us off to another controller and that is all that was said. The first officer and I discussed the situation on the way and I believe he has a better understanding of the problem he had. From now on, I will include in the crew briefing the performance of the lear in similar sits.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LJ35 FLT CREW OVERSHOOT TEB SID RESTR.
Narrative: FOR THE DEP OUT OF TETERBORO, NJ (TEB), WE WERE GIVEN THE TEB 5 SID, DEPARTING RWY 24. MY FO WAS FLYING FROM THE L SEAT. THE DEP SAYS TO CLB ON RWY HEADING TO 1500 FT, R TURN TO 280 DEGS, MAINTAIN 1500 FT UNTIL 4.5 DME FROM TEB VOR, THEN MAINTAIN 2000 FT. ON THIS COOL DAY (14 DEGS C) AND LIGHTLY LOADED LEARJET (15000 LB TKOF WT) THE ACFT HAS A VERY HIGH RATE OF CLB. THE FO BEING RELATIVELY NEW TO THE LEAR WAS NOT ACCUSTOMED TO THE PERFORMANCE HE WOULD GET IN SUCH CONDITIONS. AFTER TKOF, THE TWR SWITCHED US OVER TO NY DEP. I WAS ABOUT TO CHANGE OVER TO DEP AND NOTICED WE WERE THROUGH 1000 FT AND CLBING AT APPROX 5000 FPM. I TOLD THE FO TO LEVEL AT 1500 FT, BUT HE DID NOT LEVEL OFF UNTIL REACHING 2000 FT. AT THIS TIME, I CALLED NY DEP AND THEY ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS. I TOLD THEM 2000 FT AND THE CTLR TOLD ME THAT THE SID REQUIRES 1500 FT IN THE AREA WE WERE IN. I THEN TOLD THE CTLR WE WOULD MAINTAIN 1500 FT AND HE TOLD US TO CLB TO AND MAINTAIN 10000 FT. SOON AFTERWARD, HE PASSED US OFF TO ANOTHER CTLR AND THAT IS ALL THAT WAS SAID. THE FO AND I DISCUSSED THE SIT ON THE WAY AND I BELIEVE HE HAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROB HE HAD. FROM NOW ON, I WILL INCLUDE IN THE CREW BRIEFING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE LEAR IN SIMILAR SITS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.