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Attributes | |
ACN | 602634 |
Time | |
Date | 200312 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : n90.tracon |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 75 |
ASRS Report | 602634 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
On approach, my flight had a flap asymmetry failure on the giv. ATC was notified of the problem and the need to break off the approach and troubleshoot the problem. The PF took the radios, navigation, and aircraft control while I handled the troubleshooting, checklists, and calls to maintenance and dispatch. The cockpit was a busy place and I had to leave my seat twice to get charts and expanded checklists that were not reachable from the seat. Upon returning the second time, the PF told me that we didn't have enough fuel to return to our home maintenance base. We quickly discussed options (WX, winds, runways length, and services) and settled on baf (20 min flight, long runway, into the strong surface winds, and appropriate services). I advised new york approach that we needed higher and direct baf. The new controller (controller change just occurred) asked who we were and if we were IFR. (Obviously a poor change of controllers.) I told him we were IFR and needed higher 'now, and direct baf.' this controller started in about preferential rtes, etc. At this time my flight had a climb RA. The PF followed the RA and I advised new york TRACON of the climb RA and canceling IFR. (In the past 10 yrs this controller has earned the reputation of being arrogant and uncooperative and frankly there wasn't fuel or time to deal with his attitude!) I'm very concerned about the lack of controller coordination in new york TRACON! My flight made an expeditious climb to an appropriate fuel/time conservation altitude and contacted ZBW. The appropriate checklists and briefings (for crew and ATC) were completed. ATC was advised of 'minimum fuel' and the nature of problem. ZBW, bdl TRACON, and baf local all provided appropriate assistance so that a safe landing was made with minimum IFR fuel reserves.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A G-4 FLT CREW EXPERIENCE A FLAP ASYMMETRY FOLLOWED BY LACK OF COOPERATION WITH ATC, FOLLOWED BY A TCASII RA, FOLLOWED BY LOW FUEL WITH A SAFE LNDG AT BAF.
Narrative: ON APCH, MY FLT HAD A FLAP ASYMMETRY FAILURE ON THE GIV. ATC WAS NOTIFIED OF THE PROB AND THE NEED TO BREAK OFF THE APCH AND TROUBLESHOOT THE PROB. THE PF TOOK THE RADIOS, NAV, AND ACFT CTL WHILE I HANDLED THE TROUBLESHOOTING, CHKLISTS, AND CALLS TO MAINT AND DISPATCH. THE COCKPIT WAS A BUSY PLACE AND I HAD TO LEAVE MY SEAT TWICE TO GET CHARTS AND EXPANDED CHKLISTS THAT WERE NOT REACHABLE FROM THE SEAT. UPON RETURNING THE SECOND TIME, THE PF TOLD ME THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUEL TO RETURN TO OUR HOME MAINT BASE. WE QUICKLY DISCUSSED OPTIONS (WX, WINDS, RWYS LENGTH, AND SVCS) AND SETTLED ON BAF (20 MIN FLT, LONG RWY, INTO THE STRONG SURFACE WINDS, AND APPROPRIATE SVCS). I ADVISED NEW YORK APCH THAT WE NEEDED HIGHER AND DIRECT BAF. THE NEW CTLR (CTLR CHANGE JUST OCCURRED) ASKED WHO WE WERE AND IF WE WERE IFR. (OBVIOUSLY A POOR CHANGE OF CTLRS.) I TOLD HIM WE WERE IFR AND NEEDED HIGHER 'NOW, AND DIRECT BAF.' THIS CTLR STARTED IN ABOUT PREFERENTIAL RTES, ETC. AT THIS TIME MY FLT HAD A CLB RA. THE PF FOLLOWED THE RA AND I ADVISED NEW YORK TRACON OF THE CLB RA AND CANCELING IFR. (IN THE PAST 10 YRS THIS CTLR HAS EARNED THE REPUTATION OF BEING ARROGANT AND UNCOOPERATIVE AND FRANKLY THERE WASN'T FUEL OR TIME TO DEAL WITH HIS ATTITUDE!) I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CTLR COORD IN NEW YORK TRACON! MY FLT MADE AN EXPEDITIOUS CLB TO AN APPROPRIATE FUEL/TIME CONSERVATION ALT AND CONTACTED ZBW. THE APPROPRIATE CHKLISTS AND BRIEFINGS (FOR CREW AND ATC) WERE COMPLETED. ATC WAS ADVISED OF 'MINIMUM FUEL' AND THE NATURE OF PROB. ZBW, BDL TRACON, AND BAF LCL ALL PROVIDED APPROPRIATE ASSISTANCE SO THAT A SAFE LNDG WAS MADE WITH MINIMUM IFR FUEL RESERVES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.