C414 pilot was denied approval by ZHN to take multiple practice VFR approachs at lanai because the u...

Attributes
ACN	625763
Time
Date	200407
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lny.airport
State Reference	HI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zhn.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Chancellor 414A & C414
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	625763
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Airport

Narrative:

We were en route to lanair (hny) airport to do some practice approachs. We were on a VFR flight plan. We also requested and received VFR advisories from ZHN. The sky was clear and there was not traffic in the area. We told ZHN that our intentions were to do multiple approachs in VFR conditions. We did not request an IFR clearance. ZHN told us that we were not approved to do approach into hny since we did not have approved WX information. I told him that we were going to conduct operations in VFR and only wanted VFR advisories. He kept denying us stating that we needed approved WX to do this procedure in class G airspace. Furthermore, he said that we should have just squawked 1200 and not talked to anybody which would have been perfectly legal. However, since we talked to him, we were not allowed to do the same thing. This doesn't make sense. Although it is true we could have done 1200 and not talked to anyone, I thought it would be better to keep center informed in case there was traffic. Apparently center prefers that we not use them for advisories. Many other pilots have had similar experiences.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C414 PLT WAS DENIED APPROVAL BY ZHN TO TAKE MULTIPLE PRACTICE VFR APCHS AT LANAI BECAUSE THE UNCTLED ARPT DID NOT HAVE APPROVED WX MINIMUMS.

Narrative: WE WERE ENRTE TO LANAIR (HNY) ARPT TO DO SOME PRACTICE APCHS. WE WERE ON A VFR FLT PLAN. WE ALSO REQUESTED AND RECEIVED VFR ADVISORIES FROM ZHN. THE SKY WAS CLR AND THERE WAS NOT TFC IN THE AREA. WE TOLD ZHN THAT OUR INTENTIONS WERE TO DO MULTIPLE APCHS IN VFR CONDITIONS. WE DID NOT REQUEST AN IFR CLRNC. ZHN TOLD US THAT WE WERE NOT APPROVED TO DO APCH INTO HNY SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE APPROVED WX INFO. I TOLD HIM THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONDUCT OPS IN VFR AND ONLY WANTED VFR ADVISORIES. HE KEPT DENYING US STATING THAT WE NEEDED APPROVED WX TO DO THIS PROC IN CLASS G AIRSPACE. FURTHERMORE, HE SAID THAT WE SHOULD HAVE JUST SQUAWKED 1200 AND NOT TALKED TO ANYBODY WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY LEGAL. HOWEVER, SINCE WE TALKED TO HIM, WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME THING. THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ALTHOUGH IT IS TRUE WE COULD HAVE DONE 1200 AND NOT TALKED TO ANYONE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO KEEP CTR INFORMED IN CASE THERE WAS TFC. APPARENTLY CTR PREFERS THAT WE NOT USE THEM FOR ADVISORIES. MANY OTHER PLTS HAVE HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

C414 pilot was denied approval by ZHN to take multiple practice VFR approachs at lanai because the uncontrolled airport did not have approved WX minimums.