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A DA2000 pilot reports after crossing det runway 33 hold short line; local controller tells him of his transgression but also says that event frequently occurs.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 673983 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200510 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : det.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 2000 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 673983 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Chart Or Publication Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We asked for taxi from FBO at det. My first officer was flying this ferry leg. We were given taxi to runway 33. We taxied and held short of the apparent runway but tower informed us that we were over the hold short line. We didn't have room to turn so the tower gave us position and hold. We departed shortly. Before we departed; I apologized to the tower and I was told it happens frequently. If this is the case why isn't something done about the markings to make the hold short position more visible?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DA2000 PLT RPTS AFTER XING DET RWY 33 HOLD SHORT LINE; LCL CTLR TELLS HIM OF HIS TRANSGRESSION BUT ALSO SAYS THAT EVENT FREQUENTLY OCCURS.
Narrative: WE ASKED FOR TAXI FROM FBO AT DET. MY FO WAS FLYING THIS FERRY LEG. WE WERE GIVEN TAXI TO RWY 33. WE TAXIED AND HELD SHORT OF THE APPARENT RWY BUT TWR INFORMED US THAT WE WERE OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM TO TURN SO THE TWR GAVE US POS AND HOLD. WE DEPARTED SHORTLY. BEFORE WE DEPARTED; I APOLOGIZED TO THE TWR AND I WAS TOLD IT HAPPENS FREQUENTLY. IF THIS IS THE CASE WHY ISN'T SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THE MARKINGS TO MAKE THE HOLD SHORT POS MORE VISIBLE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.