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Attributes | |
ACN | 803795 |
Time | |
Date | 200809 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sam.vor |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vidp.tracon tower : mco.tower |
Make Model Name | Widebody Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : sam |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 803795 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : foreign |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
As relief first officer; I entered the cockpit as the crew was descending through 10400 ft. They were in a 4000 FPM descent or better; and the autoplt was disconnected because the first officer (PF) interpreted the autoplt was not following the arrival arc. They informed me they had been given a different arrival inside the IAF but could not find the arrival in the paper charts. They loaded the sam 5 arrival in the FMS and were trying to follow the FMS guidance. Approach control then called and said we were supposed to level off at 11000 ft as we were passing through 9500 ft in the descent. They confirmed we were supposed to be on the sam 5 arrival; and then gave us a vector and a descent to maintain 9000 ft. After time to review the issue postflt; the sam 5 arrival was effective aug/xa/08. I found the commercial sam 5 arrival (very confusing because it is listed under RNAV arrs; not ILS arrs) and we compared it to the FMS database. The FMS was wrong; and still had the arrival with an arc; where the new arrival does not. Also; the arrival has an altitude limit of 10000 ft (not the 11000 ft called for by arrival control); but the FMS had no such altitude limit and was trying to get to a 6500 ft restr. New delhi radar did not seem to have a problem with the deviation and asked us to coordination the change with our company as it was a new arrival.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB FLT CREW ATTEMPTS TO FLY SAM RNAV STAR TO VIDP UTILIZING THE LINE SELECTED STAR WITHOUT BENEFIT OF AERO CHART FOR VERIFICATION. LEARN THE FMS DATABASE STAR IS OUT OF DATE AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT VERSION.
Narrative: AS RELIEF FO; I ENTERED THE COCKPIT AS THE CREW WAS DSNDING THROUGH 10400 FT. THEY WERE IN A 4000 FPM DSCNT OR BETTER; AND THE AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED BECAUSE THE FO (PF) INTERPED THE AUTOPLT WAS NOT FOLLOWING THE ARR ARC. THEY INFORMED ME THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN A DIFFERENT ARR INSIDE THE IAF BUT COULD NOT FIND THE ARR IN THE PAPER CHARTS. THEY LOADED THE SAM 5 ARR IN THE FMS AND WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE FMS GUIDANCE. APCH CTL THEN CALLED AND SAID WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LEVEL OFF AT 11000 FT AS WE WERE PASSING THROUGH 9500 FT IN THE DSCNT. THEY CONFIRMED WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAM 5 ARR; AND THEN GAVE US A VECTOR AND A DSCNT TO MAINTAIN 9000 FT. AFTER TIME TO REVIEW THE ISSUE POSTFLT; THE SAM 5 ARR WAS EFFECTIVE AUG/XA/08. I FOUND THE COMMERCIAL SAM 5 ARR (VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE IT IS LISTED UNDER RNAV ARRS; NOT ILS ARRS) AND WE COMPARED IT TO THE FMS DATABASE. THE FMS WAS WRONG; AND STILL HAD THE ARR WITH AN ARC; WHERE THE NEW ARR DOES NOT. ALSO; THE ARR HAS AN ALT LIMIT OF 10000 FT (NOT THE 11000 FT CALLED FOR BY ARR CTL); BUT THE FMS HAD NO SUCH ALT LIMIT AND WAS TRYING TO GET TO A 6500 FT RESTR. NEW DELHI RADAR DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE A PROB WITH THE DEV AND ASKED US TO COORD THE CHANGE WITH OUR COMPANY AS IT WAS A NEW ARR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.