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Attributes | |
ACN | 92435 |
Time | |
Date | 198807 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pmd |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star enroute airway : edw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 92435 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
This incident occurred on a flight from den to bur. We were in our descent, with the first officer flying, and were told to cross 5 mi east of pmd at 12000 ft and 10 mi west of pmd at 8000 ft. The east crossing restr was changed 2 times and we were also held at 17000 ft for a while. The autoplt/autoplt system was on. I turned ATC radio communications over to the first officer while attempted to get the bur ATIS. While I was on the ATIS frequency, I heard the first officer say to ATC that, 'we do not have the traffic in sight.' at this time she was looking out the window slightly to the right. I looked out for the traffic and also selected 240 KTS on the MCP, since we needed to slow before leaving 10000 ft. Shortly afterwards a light aircraft came into view and went right over our heads, slightly right. It was going in a southwest direction. The first officer pushed forward on the yoke, but it probably had no time to change our flight path before we were past the other aircraft. Shortly afterwards the other aircraft came on edwards' frequency and reported the near miss. The controller told him that we had reported him in sight. I corrected that statement, and told the controller that we had not called the traffic in sight. After landing at bur I called edwards approach and talked to the supervisor. He was aware of a near miss, but was told that it was between 2 VFR aircraft. He said he would look into the situation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: report was filed with company and during their investigation determined the flight crew had advised they did not have the traffic in sight. No further information from the approach controller. Miss was approximately 100 ft and the aircraft just off the left side. Idented as a high wing small aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC WITH SMA OPERATING VFR WESTBOUND AT 10500'.
Narrative: THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED ON A FLT FROM DEN TO BUR. WE WERE IN OUR DSCNT, WITH THE FO FLYING, AND WERE TOLD TO CROSS 5 MI E OF PMD AT 12000 FT AND 10 MI W OF PMD AT 8000 FT. THE E XING RESTR WAS CHANGED 2 TIMES AND WE WERE ALSO HELD AT 17000 FT FOR A WHILE. THE AUTOPLT/AUTOPLT SYS WAS ON. I TURNED ATC RADIO COMS OVER TO THE FO WHILE ATTEMPTED TO GET THE BUR ATIS. WHILE I WAS ON THE ATIS FREQ, I HEARD THE FO SAY TO ATC THAT, 'WE DO NOT HAVE THE TFC IN SIGHT.' AT THIS TIME SHE WAS LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW SLIGHTLY TO THE R. I LOOKED OUT FOR THE TFC AND ALSO SELECTED 240 KTS ON THE MCP, SINCE WE NEEDED TO SLOW BEFORE LEAVING 10000 FT. SHORTLY AFTERWARDS A LIGHT ACFT CAME INTO VIEW AND WENT RIGHT OVER OUR HEADS, SLIGHTLY R. IT WAS GOING IN A SW DIRECTION. THE FO PUSHED FORWARD ON THE YOKE, BUT IT PROBABLY HAD NO TIME TO CHANGE OUR FLT PATH BEFORE WE WERE PAST THE OTHER ACFT. SHORTLY AFTERWARDS THE OTHER ACFT CAME ON EDWARDS' FREQ AND RPTED THE NEAR MISS. THE CTLR TOLD HIM THAT WE HAD RPTED HIM IN SIGHT. I CORRECTED THAT STATEMENT, AND TOLD THE CTLR THAT WE HAD NOT CALLED THE TFC IN SIGHT. AFTER LNDG AT BUR I CALLED EDWARDS APCH AND TALKED TO THE SUPVR. HE WAS AWARE OF A NEAR MISS, BUT WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS BTWN 2 VFR ACFT. HE SAID HE WOULD LOOK INTO THE SIT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPT WAS FILED WITH COMPANY AND DURING THEIR INVESTIGATION DETERMINED THE FLC HAD ADVISED THEY DID NOT HAVE THE TFC IN SIGHT. NO FURTHER INFO FROM THE APCH CTLR. MISS WAS APPROX 100 FT AND THE ACFT JUST OFF THE L SIDE. IDENTED AS A HIGH WING SMA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.