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Attributes | |
ACN | 215342 |
Time | |
Date | 199207 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rsw |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 300 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rsw tower : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 19000 |
ASRS Report | 215342 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
In rsw WX was moving in. We were pushing back and saw rain falling south of airport. I said look now it is coming down in sheets! We taxied out and saw rain coming from west side of airport. I requested that we takeoff on runway 06 because I wanted to takeoff in the clear. The tower told us traffic was inbound and there would be a delay, beside the wind was 230/14. Since that is more than the tailwind allows, I then told them we would use runway 24. We were rushed as we only had 1 engine running. I told first officer to do an unassisted engine start. While first officer started the other engine, I picked up the microphone told tower we wanted takeoff on 24 with an immediate left turn to heading 060. I want to stay away from WX south. While the tower was getting it, I had to help first officer start the engine as #2 was 27 percent holding and first officer had not moved fuel lever to idle detent. We completed the engine start checklist. The tower told us the heading would be 090. About the wind direction and speed, it was 12-17 KTS with direction southwest-west and clear for during this whole time ATC is talking during the before takeoff checklist. I told first officer that we would add 10 KTS to all v-spd before takeoff staying on runway longer, because in case we run into some wind on takeoff we have extra speed to use up. In other word, I am anticipating and showing safety. We takeoff, I rotated with extra speed positive rate gear up. About 300 ft AGL I felt and saw the rate of climb was dropping off. I pull back on wheel till I got stick shaker, climb was good. I then relaxed back pressure. I then saw that first officer had put his hands on the wheel and was pushing forward. I said I got it. I then pull back on wheel against his pushing till I got the stick shaker again. We were really now climbing. He then pushed power full forward. I relaxed back pressure as we were really climbing as soon as the stick shaker sound stop. He pulled power back off. During the whole time I keep saying, I got it, let go I've got it. I got it. While still climbing I pulled against his push but he kept pushing forward. I was losing the battle but the aircraft was still climbing. He could push a lot stronger with his back to seat, than I could pull against my flight. When airspeed got to 180 KT still accelerating, we were at 2500 ft. First officer let the wheel go. He retracted the flaps on schedule and the climb was normal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FO OF AN ACR MLG ACFT TOOK OVER ACFT CTL DURING TKOF INITIAL CLB FROM THE CAPT.
Narrative: IN RSW WX WAS MOVING IN. WE WERE PUSHING BACK AND SAW RAIN FALLING S OF ARPT. I SAID LOOK NOW IT IS COMING DOWN IN SHEETS! WE TAXIED OUT AND SAW RAIN COMING FROM W SIDE OF ARPT. I REQUESTED THAT WE TKOF ON RWY 06 BECAUSE I WANTED TO TKOF IN THE CLR. THE TWR TOLD US TFC WAS INBOUND AND THERE WOULD BE A DELAY, BESIDE THE WIND WAS 230/14. SINCE THAT IS MORE THAN THE TAILWIND ALLOWS, I THEN TOLD THEM WE WOULD USE RWY 24. WE WERE RUSHED AS WE ONLY HAD 1 ENG RUNNING. I TOLD FO TO DO AN UNASSISTED ENG START. WHILE FO STARTED THE OTHER ENG, I PICKED UP THE MIKE TOLD TWR WE WANTED TKOF ON 24 WITH AN IMMEDIATE L TURN TO HDG 060. I WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM WX S. WHILE THE TWR WAS GETTING IT, I HAD TO HELP FO START THE ENG AS #2 WAS 27 PERCENT HOLDING AND FO HAD NOT MOVED FUEL LEVER TO IDLE DETENT. WE COMPLETED THE ENG START CHKLIST. THE TWR TOLD US THE HDG WOULD BE 090. ABOUT THE WIND DIRECTION AND SPD, IT WAS 12-17 KTS WITH DIRECTION SW-W AND CLR FOR DURING THIS WHOLE TIME ATC IS TALKING DURING THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST. I TOLD FO THAT WE WOULD ADD 10 KTS TO ALL V-SPD BEFORE TKOF STAYING ON RWY LONGER, BECAUSE IN CASE WE RUN INTO SOME WIND ON TKOF WE HAVE EXTRA SPD TO USE UP. IN OTHER WORD, I AM ANTICIPATING AND SHOWING SAFETY. WE TKOF, I ROTATED WITH EXTRA SPD POSITIVE RATE GEAR UP. ABOUT 300 FT AGL I FELT AND SAW THE RATE OF CLB WAS DROPPING OFF. I PULL BACK ON WHEEL TILL I GOT STICK SHAKER, CLB WAS GOOD. I THEN RELAXED BACK PRESSURE. I THEN SAW THAT FO HAD PUT HIS HANDS ON THE WHEEL AND WAS PUSHING FORWARD. I SAID I GOT IT. I THEN PULL BACK ON WHEEL AGAINST HIS PUSHING TILL I GOT THE STICK SHAKER AGAIN. WE WERE REALLY NOW CLBING. HE THEN PUSHED PWR FULL FORWARD. I RELAXED BACK PRESSURE AS WE WERE REALLY CLBING AS SOON AS THE STICK SHAKER SOUND STOP. HE PULLED PWR BACK OFF. DURING THE WHOLE TIME I KEEP SAYING, I GOT IT, LET GO I'VE GOT IT. I GOT IT. WHILE STILL CLBING I PULLED AGAINST HIS PUSH BUT HE KEPT PUSHING FORWARD. I WAS LOSING THE BATTLE BUT THE ACFT WAS STILL CLBING. HE COULD PUSH A LOT STRONGER WITH HIS BACK TO SEAT, THAN I COULD PULL AGAINST MY FLT. WHEN AIRSPD GOT TO 180 KT STILL ACCELERATING, WE WERE AT 2500 FT. FO LET THE WHEEL GO. HE RETRACTED THE FLAPS ON SCHEDULE AND THE CLB WAS NORMAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.