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Attributes | |
ACN | 305050 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rst |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp tower : grb |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 305050 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight from msp to rst and level at 11000 ft. Handoff from departure control to ZMP was normal. On contact with ZMP, we noted traffic at 2-3 O'clock position low. We received a vector direct rst VOR, altimeter setting, and what we thought was clearance to 9000 ft. PNF read back all including 11000 ft for 9000 ft. The clearance to 9000 ft is normal at this point en route to rst. I started a slow descent from 11000 ft. At 10500 ft center queried our altitude. I replied (PNF off frequency for PA) 10500 ft for 9000 ft. At that point the controller said we were not cleared for descent (pause) cleared to 10000 ft. Ensuing conversation revealed it was the traffic descending through 9000 ft that was referenced and not a clearance for us. Controller indicated no separation problems. Captain called the facility, after landing, to ensure no conflicts existed and to note what we perceived as the cause, which was: foremost, the phrasing (which I can't recall) that combined the clearance with the traffic's passing altitude. Expectation of a descent clearance and hearback error and readback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRNC INTERP PROB. ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION.
Narrative: FLT FROM MSP TO RST AND LEVEL AT 11000 FT. HDOF FROM DEP CTL TO ZMP WAS NORMAL. ON CONTACT WITH ZMP, WE NOTED TFC AT 2-3 O'CLOCK POS LOW. WE RECEIVED A VECTOR DIRECT RST VOR, ALTIMETER SETTING, AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS CLRNC TO 9000 FT. PNF READ BACK ALL INCLUDING 11000 FT FOR 9000 FT. THE CLRNC TO 9000 FT IS NORMAL AT THIS POINT ENRTE TO RST. I STARTED A SLOW DSCNT FROM 11000 FT. AT 10500 FT CTR QUERIED OUR ALT. I REPLIED (PNF OFF FREQ FOR PA) 10500 FT FOR 9000 FT. AT THAT POINT THE CTLR SAID WE WERE NOT CLRED FOR DSCNT (PAUSE) CLRED TO 10000 FT. ENSUING CONVERSATION REVEALED IT WAS THE TFC DSNDING THROUGH 9000 FT THAT WAS REFED AND NOT A CLRNC FOR US. CTLR INDICATED NO SEPARATION PROBS. CAPT CALLED THE FACILITY, AFTER LNDG, TO ENSURE NO CONFLICTS EXISTED AND TO NOTE WHAT WE PERCEIVED AS THE CAUSE, WHICH WAS: FOREMOST, THE PHRASING (WHICH I CAN'T RECALL) THAT COMBINED THE CLRNC WITH THE TFC'S PASSING ALT. EXPECTATION OF A DSCNT CLRNC AND HEARBACK ERROR AND READBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.