An air carrier flight crew in an light transport become distraction by WX concerns and forget to start descent in time to make their crossing restr. The ARTCC controller gave them a delaying turn in order to complete their descent before the crossing fix.

Home

Browse by month

Random

Latest

About

Contact

Attributes
ACN	378559
Time
Date	199708
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : bdr
State Reference	CT
Altitude	msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zbw
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other descent other
Route In Use	enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 250
ASRS Report	378559
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	378370
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Aircraft was cleared to cross loves intersection at 6000 ft. I was flying at 11000 ft, 39 mi from intersection. Prior to starting descent, we discussed the WX at loves, questions on release and WX at jfk. We were distraction by this discussion and failed to start descent in time to cross loves at the assigned altitude. Controller gave us a 360 degree turn in order to meet our crossing restr. The discussion was pertinent to the flight, however, I should not have let the discussion distract me from flying the aircraft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR FLC IN AN LTT BECOME DISTR BY WX CONCERNS AND FORGET TO START DSCNT IN TIME TO MAKE THEIR XING RESTR. THE ARTCC CTLR GAVE THEM A DELAYING TURN IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THEIR DSCNT BEFORE THE XING FIX.

Narrative: ACFT WAS CLRED TO CROSS LOVES INTXN AT 6000 FT. I WAS FLYING AT 11000 FT, 39 MI FROM INTXN. PRIOR TO STARTING DSCNT, WE DISCUSSED THE WX AT LOVES, QUESTIONS ON RELEASE AND WX AT JFK. WE WERE DISTR BY THIS DISCUSSION AND FAILED TO START DSCNT IN TIME TO CROSS LOVES AT THE ASSIGNED ALT. CTLR GAVE US A 360 DEG TURN IN ORDER TO MEET OUR XING RESTR. THE DISCUSSION WAS PERTINENT TO THE FLT, HOWEVER, I SHOULD NOT HAVE LET THE DISCUSSION DISTRACT ME FROM FLYING THE ACFT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.