A B757-200 first officer reported that he questioned ZJX's clearance off of pfn, as it took the airc...

Attributes
ACN	513060
Time
Date	200105
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : pfn.vortac
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl single value : 33000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757-200
Flight Phase	cruise : holding
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 4000
ASRS Report	513060
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical airspace violation : exit non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far
Resolutory Action	flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Company Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Over pfn, en route to mco, we were given a clearance to proceed direct to the pie 285 degree/115 DME fix and hold north at FL330. When we questioned if this would keep us within 50 NM of shore, ZJX said it would since we were 'holding north.' unable to verify this, we questioned the controller again and he switched our heading fix to the pie 285 degree/90 DME. A few mins later, what sounded like a different controller came on and gave us a right turn to 360 degrees and a clearance to hold at the pfn 130 degree/40 DME fix. Before we turned around, we may have flown more than 50 NM from shore. I believe the initial controller was mistaken when he stated that we would remain within 50 NM of shore at either of the fixes that he cleared us to hold at one the pie 285 degree radial. The fact that we questioned this, I believe, resulted in our turn-back and hold near pfn. I have drawn a line (50 NM from shore) on my charts and indicated which radials off pfn and pie will keep us within that line. I will not accept a clearance outside of this area in the future.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B757-200 FO RPTED THAT HE QUESTIONED ZJX'S CLRNC OFF OF PFN, AS IT TOOK THE ACFT BEYOND 50 NM FROM SHORE.

Narrative: OVER PFN, ENRTE TO MCO, WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO PROCEED DIRECT TO THE PIE 285 DEG/115 DME FIX AND HOLD N AT FL330. WHEN WE QUESTIONED IF THIS WOULD KEEP US WITHIN 50 NM OF SHORE, ZJX SAID IT WOULD SINCE WE WERE 'HOLDING N.' UNABLE TO VERIFY THIS, WE QUESTIONED THE CTLR AGAIN AND HE SWITCHED OUR HDG FIX TO THE PIE 285 DEG/90 DME. A FEW MINS LATER, WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A DIFFERENT CTLR CAME ON AND GAVE US A R TURN TO 360 DEGS AND A CLRNC TO HOLD AT THE PFN 130 DEG/40 DME FIX. BEFORE WE TURNED AROUND, WE MAY HAVE FLOWN MORE THAN 50 NM FROM SHORE. I BELIEVE THE INITIAL CTLR WAS MISTAKEN WHEN HE STATED THAT WE WOULD REMAIN WITHIN 50 NM OF SHORE AT EITHER OF THE FIXES THAT HE CLRED US TO HOLD AT ONE THE PIE 285 DEG RADIAL. THE FACT THAT WE QUESTIONED THIS, I BELIEVE, RESULTED IN OUR TURN-BACK AND HOLD NEAR PFN. I HAVE DRAWN A LINE (50 NM FROM SHORE) ON MY CHARTS AND INDICATED WHICH RADIALS OFF PFN AND PIE WILL KEEP US WITHIN THAT LINE. I WILL NOT ACCEPT A CLRNC OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A B757-200 first officer reported that he questioned ZJX's clearance off of pfn, as it took the aircraft beyond 50 NM from shore.